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Old 14 Nov 2004, 11:59 am
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What are the haines book about?
Someone told me to buy it, for my car's make and model!
They said they teach you how to do all tune-ups, and minor repairs!
Is this truE?


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Old 14 Nov 2004, 12:22 pm
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yea its true...it also tells u how much torque u need to do for some parts
and tells you wwhere parts are and how to fix it....if ur gonan work on ur
car i highly rec. the haines book
"stylesandsmiles" <oelias0546@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> What are the haines book about?
> Someone told me to buy it, for my car's make and model!
> They said they teach you how to do all tune-ups, and minor repairs!
> Is this truE?
>
>



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Old 14 Nov 2004, 01:28 pm
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What year is your Honda?

The entire Chiltons and/or Haynes manual may be free online at
www.autozone.com if it's a 1995 or earlier year.

I think Chilton's is better than Haynes, BTW.

Also, http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html may have
the manual for your car free online as well.

The best manual is said to be those put out by www.helminc.com ,
but my impression is that Chilton's, for one, is identical
(verbatim!) for the DIYer jobs that most of us do.

Public libraries also almost always have Chilton's or Haynes
manuals specific to one's cars. I used the library for years
until I broke down and bought a Chilton's for my 91 Civic from
Ebay this past summer. ($7 total). I use it a lot.

"stylesandsmiles" <oelias0546@rogers.com> wrote
> What are the haines book about?
> Someone told me to buy it, for my car's make and model!
> They said they teach you how to do all tune-ups, and minor

repairs!
> Is this truE?



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Old 16 Nov 2004, 01:04 am
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>The best manual is said to be those put out by www.helminc.com ,
>but my impression is that Chilton's, for one, is identical
>(verbatim!) for the DIYer jobs that most of us do.


Helminc sells the original factory provided shop manuals. It is the
offiical source and is rich with information. I have one for my Honda
and find it superior to the general over the counter manuals like
haynes and chilton which try to cover many years and models of the
car. There is a significant difference in price.

The problem with all these manuals is that they don't explain the
theory on how things work. Haynes (and I presume Chilton) also sell
books describing general subject areas without reference to a
particular car. For example, there are brake manuals which gives a
description of the various components in the brake system. So when
that brake light comes on, you know it could be that the master
cylinder has detected low brake fluid or there is a pressure
difference between the two hydraulic circuits (e.g., left front /
right rear versus right front/ left rear).


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Old 16 Nov 2004, 12:46 pm
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<kiselink@mindspring.com> wrote
> >The best manual is said to be those put out by www.helminc.com ,
> >but my impression is that Chilton's, for one, is identical
> >(verbatim!) for the DIYer jobs that most of us do.

>
> Helminc sells the original factory provided shop manuals. It is the
> offiical source and is rich with information. I have one for my Honda
> and find it superior to the general over the counter manuals like
> haynes and chilton which try to cover many years and models of the
> car.


Chilton manuals do state on the cover that the manual covers, say, 1984-1995
Civic/CRX/del Sol, but the manual also has sections, illustrations, and photographs
marked for and dedicated to specific years and models within this range.

Also, I believe Chilton's once was much more generic in its instructions (like in the
1980s?). That has changed.

I have compared pages of the manuals at
http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html (presumably identical to Helm)
with Chilton manual pages. They are often verbatim the same.

> There is a significant difference in price.


Well, for the record, I think a new Chilton's manual runs maybe $20, while the Helm
manual runs around $70.

> The problem with all these manuals is that they don't explain the
> theory on how things work.


I'd say there's a bit of theory in many sections. But it's a publishing conundrum as
to whether to provide that which the owner may not really need.

Some guy posted here a few months ago that the Engine control system design
literature at the plant for a particular make of car was thousands of pages long.
That's not all theory, but a lot of it was explanation one might desire to get a
great handle on one's car's engine controls.

> Haynes (and I presume Chilton) also sell
> books describing general subject areas without reference to a
> particular car. For example, there are brake manuals which gives a
> description of the various components in the brake system. So when
> that brake light comes on, you know it could be that the master
> cylinder has detected low brake fluid or there is a pressure
> difference between the two hydraulic circuits (e.g., left front /
> right rear versus right front/ left rear).



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Old 16 Nov 2004, 08:55 pm
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>
>I have compared pages of the manuals at
>http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html (presumably identical to Helm)
>with Chilton manual pages. They are often verbatim the same.
>
>>


Here is what I am talking about: 1500 pages dedicated to a 4 cylinder
1995 accord at $72:

http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2...SHD51SA4G86U6A
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