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Old 01 Mar 2010, 06:19 am
Erehwon
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Default Disabling ABS

Is there any way to temporarily disable the ABS on a 2009 Accord similar to
the way the VSA can be shut off? Cars I've rented in the past (although
perhaps older) have had a switch to shut off the ABS but I can't find
anything similar on the Honda. Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice. I'd like to
see the change without ABS.



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Old 01 Mar 2010, 08:05 am
Dddudley
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

On 3/1/2010 6:19 AM, Erehwon wrote:
> Is there any way to temporarily disable the ABS on a 2009 Accord similar to
> the way the VSA can be shut off? Cars I've rented in the past (although
> perhaps older) have had a switch to shut off the ABS but I can't find
> anything similar on the Honda. Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
> seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice. I'd like to
> see the change without ABS.



Not sure what country you're in but I'm pretty sure that you were never
given the option of disabling the ABS on any car fitted for the American
market. I've never seen that "feature" on any US ride that I've driven
or owned and I've been driving long enough to have read "Coming in the
future, a system to prevent skidding in cars" in Popular Mechanic, and
for you real old timers.. Mechanix Illustrated<g>

Without putting on my coat and going outside to check one of several
owner's manuals for my current fleet, the only two suggestions I have are...

1. Take a look at the fuse block and see if there is a fuse
specifically for the ABS system.

2. DON'T remove it to try this. However, if you feel you must, practice
what the automotive advertising agencies do. Practice on a closed loop
track not on the public roads.

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Old 01 Mar 2010, 08:47 am
jim beam
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

On 03/01/2010 04:19 AM, Erehwon wrote:
> Is there any way to temporarily disable the ABS on a 2009 Accord similar to
> the way the VSA can be shut off? Cars I've rented in the past (although
> perhaps older) have had a switch to shut off the ABS but I can't find
> anything similar on the Honda.


"experiment" with the abs fuse.


> Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
> seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice.


no, that is correct. abs stops you skidding - it's a popular
misconception that you stop quicker. you'll see a disclaimer to the
effect in the owners manual.


> I'd like to
> see the change without ABS.
>
>
>
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Old 01 Mar 2010, 10:11 am
E. Meyer
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

On 3/1/10 6:19 AM, in article hmgbc3$226p$1@adenine.netfront.net, "Erehwon"
<invalid@address.here> wrote:

> Is there any way to temporarily disable the ABS on a 2009 Accord similar to
> the way the VSA can be shut off? Cars I've rented in the past (although
> perhaps older) have had a switch to shut off the ABS but I can't find
> anything similar on the Honda. Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
> seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice. I'd like to
> see the change without ABS.
>
>
>
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I've never seen a car of any make that provided a switch to turn off ABS.
What make was that?

I agree with you about ABS on ice & snow. It is decidedly worse. Long slow
stops gentle enough to keep the ABS from engaging are pretty much the only
way you can make it stop.

To disable ABS on a Honda, just pull the fuse. The ABS warning light will
stay on & you will have normal braking. Since VSA also depends on ABS in
its implementation, it will likely be disabled as well.


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Old 01 Mar 2010, 03:35 pm
Dano58
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

On Mar 1, 9:47*am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > *Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
> > seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice.

>
> no, that is correct. *abs stops you skidding - it's a popular
> misconception that you stop quicker. *you'll see a disclaimer to the
> effect in the owners manual.


Good point. The purpose of ABS is to help the car maintain control
during panic stops, not necessarily to help the car stop more quickly.
In many instances, you may stop more quickly without it, but you may
also skid off the road because you can't steer.

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA
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Old 01 Mar 2010, 03:41 pm
Eternal Searcher
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

Erehwon wrote:

> Is there any way to temporarily disable the ABS on a 2009 Accord similar to
> the way the VSA can be shut off? Cars I've rented in the past (although
> perhaps older) have had a switch to shut off the ABS but I can't find
> anything similar on the Honda. Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
> seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice. I'd like to
> see the change without ABS.
>

Seems to me you need winter tires. My 2004 Civic stops well enough in snow
with ABS and winter tires.
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Old 01 Mar 2010, 07:19 pm
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

Dano58 <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in news:8a1b32cc-d396-459a-b2e1-
f3be07548153@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 1, 9:47*am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> > *Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the Accord
>> > seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice.

>>
>> no, that is correct. *abs stops you skidding - it's a popular
>> misconception that you stop quicker. *you'll see a disclaimer to the
>> effect in the owners manual.

>
> Good point. The purpose of ABS is to help the car maintain control
> during panic stops, not necessarily to help the car stop more quickly.
> In many instances, you may stop more quickly without it, but you may
> also skid off the road because you can't steer.
>




ABS on ice and gravel and stuff like that is definitely NOT what it's
cracked up to be. People tend to take more chances, knowing that they've
got ABS, then they wonder why the car takes forever to come to a stop and
they end up rear-ending somebody, or landing in the ditch.

There is a tool for use in the prevention of skidding off the road because
you can't steer. It's called the "brain". Each human being comes from the
factory with one of those. Due to manufacturing tolerances, some are more
precisely finished than others, but all of them are functional to some
degree.

Rather than ABS, I prefer the use of the "brain", and other OEM human
features like "caution", "self-preservation", and "intelligence".


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Old 01 Mar 2010, 08:46 pm
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

Perhaps I'm mistaken about having a "feature" to disable ABS on rental cars
I've used. That was my recollection but, since the rentals were generally
in the summer, there wouldn't have been a need to disable. After 40+ years
of driving without ABS, however, I've had my share of slips, slides, and
skids, and still felt more comfortable without ABS than I do now. To each
their own, I guess. It's nice to have the steering control so I can choose
between the ditch, the oncoming lane, or the car in front of me but I'd
prefer to be able to stop a bit more quickly and avoid all three. I imagine
winter tires could be an option, although I've never used them in the past.
Anyway, just a curiosity item. I actually thought the VSA/ABS would be a
good idea for winter driving and bought the Honda because none of the local
Toyota dealers had any Camry's on the lot with Toyota's (optional)
equivalent of VSA. Of course I hear that Toyotas have their own issues with
stopping . . .

"Erehwon" <invalid@address.here> wrote in message
news:hmgbc3$226p$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> Is there any way to temporarily disable the ABS on a 2009 Accord similar
> to the way the VSA can be shut off? Cars I've rented in the past
> (although perhaps older) have had a switch to shut off the ABS but I can't
> find anything similar on the Honda. Perhaps I'm kidding myself, but the
> Accord seems to take an unusually long time to stop on snow and ice. I'd
> like to see the change without ABS.
>
>
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Old 01 Mar 2010, 09:22 pm
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

On 3/1/2010 8:46 PM, Erehwon wrote:
> Perhaps I'm mistaken about having a "feature" to disable ABS on rental cars
> I've used. That was my recollection but, since the rentals were generally
> in the summer, there wouldn't have been a need to disable. After 40+ years
> of driving without ABS, however, I've had my share of slips, slides, and
> skids, and still felt more comfortable without ABS than I do now. To each
> their own, I guess. It's nice to have the steering control so I can choose
> between the ditch, the oncoming lane, or the car in front of me but I'd
> prefer to be able to stop a bit more quickly and avoid all three. I imagine
> winter tires could be an option, although I've never used them in the past.
> Anyway, just a curiosity item. I actually thought the VSA/ABS would be a
> good idea for winter driving and bought the Honda because none of the local
> Toyota dealers had any Camry's on the lot with Toyota's (optional)
> equivalent of VSA. Of course I hear that Toyotas have their own issues with
> stopping . . .


AFAIK, you'll not find a car sold in America (other than vintage) that
is not ABS equipped with ABS. VSA (electronic posi-traction) is
selectable and not available on all cars (AFAIK) but they are two
separate animals.

In a panic stop mode, even with ABS, you retain control and steering. A
locked wheel skids and with a resultant loss of steering. A rolling
wheel gathers no moss and it also allows for continued maneuvering.

Universal introduction of ABS messed up a number of things in my life.
Former law enforcement, it removed a number of high speed/low speed
maneuvering options from my somewhat limited repertoire of "Hey, watch
this!"<g> and also made crash reconstruction more difficult and time
consuming since we rarely had tire marks to use for the calculation of
minimum speeds. That said, I still swear by FWD and ABS (both messed up
my stunt driving<g>) but I like them regardless.

Only car I have with RWD is my Corvette. After all, I'm not a fanatic
about FWD<g>



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Old 02 Mar 2010, 07:53 am
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Default Re: Disabling ABS

On Mar 1, 10:22*pm, Dddudley <puzzl...@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>
> AFAIK, you'll not find a car sold in America (other than vintage) that
> is not ABS equipped with ABS. *VSA (electronic posi-traction) is
> selectable and not available on all cars (AFAIK) but they are two
> separate animals.
>

snip

Electronic stability control
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electronic stability control (ESC) is a computerized technology that
improves the safety of a vehicle's stability by detecting and
minimizing skids. When ESC detects loss of steering control, ESC
automatically applies the brakes to help "steer" the vehicle where the
driver intends to go. Braking is automatically applied to individual
wheels, such as the outer front wheel to counter oversteer, or the
inner rear wheel to counter understeer. Some ESC systems also reduce
engine power until control is regained.[1] Electronic stability
control does not improve a vehicle's cornering performance; rather it
helps to minimize a loss of control. In the United States, NHTSA
estimates 5,300-9,600 traffic fatalities could be avoided if all
passenger vehicles were equipped with the feature.[2] According to the
IIHS one-third of fatal accidents could be prevented by the technology.
[3]

By 2012 all cars sold in the USA MUST have ESC. Most have ESC today.
And there's no switch to turn it off as there is in your (and my 2003)
Corvette.
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