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Old 21 Feb 2010, 11:59 pm
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Default Mysterious Engine Dying in '99 Accord

'99 Accord LX 4 dr. 5 spd 172,000 miles

In last month or so, while driving on a level road, in 3rd or 4th
gear, RPM's around 2000-2500, the engine just suddenly died. It would
start right up after the incident.
Today was worse, it did it 3 times within about 4 miles.

I hope the distributor cap and rotor is the culprit. I replaced both
today, but have not driven the car yet.
Last distributor cap and rotor were installed at 69,000 miles.
NGK platinum plugs were installed around 30,000 miles ago.

Do you think this was the problem??

Wade
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Old 22 Feb 2010, 05:49 am
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Wade <wcpunch@gmail.com> wrote in news:1f5b940f-c738-48f8-842f-8b4b621effc4
@k41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

> '99 Accord LX 4 dr. 5 spd 172,000 miles
>
> In last month or so, while driving on a level road, in 3rd or 4th
> gear, RPM's around 2000-2500, the engine just suddenly died. It would
> start right up after the incident.
> Today was worse, it did it 3 times within about 4 miles.
>
> I hope the distributor cap and rotor is the culprit. I replaced both
> today, but have not driven the car yet.
> Last distributor cap and rotor were installed at 69,000 miles.
> NGK platinum plugs were installed around 30,000 miles ago.
>
> Do you think this was the problem??
>
> Wade
>




Did all the dash lights come on as the engine died?

If YES: Igniter is bad.
If NO: Ignition switch is bad.


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Old 22 Feb 2010, 10:19 am
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Default Re: Mysterious Engine Dying in '99 Accord

On Feb 22, 5:49*am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Wade <wcpu...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1f5b940f-c738-48f8-842f-8b4b621effc4
> @k41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > '99 Accord LX 4 dr. 5 spd 172,000 miles

>
> > In last month or so, while driving on a level road, in 3rd or 4th
> > gear, RPM's around 2000-2500, the engine just suddenly died. It would
> > start right up after the incident.
> > Today was worse, it did it 3 times within about 4 miles.

>
> > I hope the distributor cap and rotor is the culprit. I replaced both
> > today, but have not driven the car yet.
> > Last distributor cap and rotor were installed at 69,000 miles.
> > NGK platinum plugs were installed around 30,000 miles ago.

>
> > Do you think this was the problem??

>
> > Wade

>
> Did all the dash lights come on as the engine died?
>
> If YES: Igniter is bad.
> If NO: Ignition switch is bad.


It was daytime, and I was in traffic, so I was too distracted to
notice. I sort of think the lights did not come on.
The ignition switch was replaced a long time ago, under a recall.
If it is the ignition switch, I wonder if they would replace it for
free?? Doubtful.

Where is the igniter? What does it cost? Expensive?
Would a good mechanic be able to tell which it is, if it is a sporadic
problem?
Also forgot to say, I installed new Honda spark plug wires at 105,000
miles, 67,000 miles ago.

Thanks,
Wade
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Old 22 Feb 2010, 12:08 pm
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Wade <wcpunch@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b9aa8e8d-e259-442d-990d-f79167b5a77f@q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 22, 5:49*am, Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:


>>
>> Did all the dash lights come on as the engine died?
>>
>> If YES: Igniter is bad.
>> If NO: Ignition switch is bad.

>
> It was daytime, and I was in traffic, so I was too distracted to
> notice. I sort of think the lights did not come on.
> The ignition switch was replaced a long time ago, under a recall.
> If it is the ignition switch, I wonder if they would replace it for
> free?? Doubtful.




Check for dash idiot-lights before condemning the ignition switch. I'm
betting igniter, right now.

Also, the next time it gives signs of dying, immediately look at the tach.
Is it at zero even before the engine stops turning?


>
> Where is the igniter? What does it cost? Expensive?



Inside the distributor. Wrecking yards are full of them, and for cheap. Do
NOT buy an aftermarket one.


> Would a good mechanic be able to tell which it is, if it is a sporadic
> problem?




Sure, but he's gotta know how Hondas work (and don't)!



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Old 24 Feb 2010, 01:15 pm
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Default Re: Mysterious Engine Dying in '99 Accord

On Feb 22, 12:59*am, Wade <wcpu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> '99 Accord LX 4 dr. 5 spd 172,000 miles
>
> In last month or so, while driving on a level road, in 3rd or 4th
> gear, RPM's around 2000-2500, the engine just suddenly died. It would
> start right up after the incident.
> Today was worse, it did it 3 times within about 4 miles.
>
> I hope the distributor cap and rotor is the culprit. I replaced both
> today, but have not driven the car yet.
> Last distributor cap and rotor were installed at 69,000 miles.
> NGK platinum plugs were installed around 30,000 miles ago.
>
> Do you think this was the problem??
>
> Wade


When you took it to have the codes read, what were the codes? Or are
you just replacing parts hoping to guess right? ;-)

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA
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Old 25 Feb 2010, 10:14 am
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Default Re: Mysterious Engine Dying in '99 Accord

Well, it turned out to be the electrical contacts in the ignition.

2 nites ago, the car died on me at a light, still didn't notice if the
dash lights were on or off, I was in traffic, at an intersection.
Unlike before, this time the engine would not start, it cranked only.
Then after a couple of minutes I tried it again, the car started, and
the key got frozen sort of halfway. So ... I figured I better drive it
to a repair place, and I was near a Honda dealer, so I drove there and
parked it. Surprisingly the dealer was open till 8 pm on Tue. so I
made it in time. The service guy wiggled the key and got it to come
out.
We ascertained the key was getting worn quite a bit, and it doesn't
hit the tumblers well, and causes difficulty with turning the key.
This happened to me earlier, and I replaced the key, after that it
worked well.

The electrical contacts were actually replaced in 2003 w/ about 67,000
miles after I got a factory recall on it. The dealer asked Honda if
they would cover a new one this time, they supposedly said no. The
part was about $60, labor is "about 1.5 hours" @$100 hr. [ouch], the
new key $25. Total out the door >> $254
I have to pick up the car later today.

The service guy said this electrical contact problem and the worn keys
is all they usually see. The igniter problem he says happens in
earlier Accords. [mine is '99]

Thanks for everybody's input~!

p.s. my drivers seat belt latch [female part] has acted funky for a
long time now, where it will not latch securely, it pops out sometimes
and I have to really push on it firmly to make sure it latches. I
mentioned it to the service guy and he ordered a new one and he says
they [Honda] cover those at no cost. I thought it was a federal
warrany kind of thing, but he seemed to make it sound like it was a
Honda deal.

p.s.s. they had the electrical contacts part in stock, but had to
order the seat belt latch, it was supposed to be on the truck today,
but didn't make it, so I have to go back for that, that's a drag, but
at least I will have a more secure seat belt. I'm in Nashville, I
think he said the parts distribution center is in Atlanta.

On Feb 22, 12:08*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Wade <wcpu...@gmail.com> wrote innews:b9aa8e8d-e259-442d-990d-f79167b5a77f@q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Feb 22, 5:49*am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:

>
> >> Did all the dash lights come on as the engine died?

>
> >> If YES: Igniter is bad.
> >> If NO: Ignition switch is bad.

>
> > It was daytime, and I was in traffic, so I was too distracted to
> > notice. I sort of think the lights did not come on.
> > The ignition switch was replaced a long time ago, under a recall.
> > If it is the ignition switch, I wonder if they would replace it for
> > free?? Doubtful.

>
> Check for dash idiot-lights before condemning the ignition switch. I'm
> betting igniter, right now.
>
> Also, the next time it gives signs of dying, immediately look at the tach..
> Is it at zero even before the engine stops turning?
>
>
>
> > Where is the igniter? What does it cost? Expensive?

>
> Inside the distributor. Wrecking yards are full of them, and for cheap. Do
> NOT buy an aftermarket one.
>
> > Would a good mechanic be able to tell which it is, if it is a sporadic
> > problem?

>
> Sure, but he's gotta know how Hondas work (and don't)!
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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Old 26 Feb 2010, 09:31 am
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Default Re: Mysterious Engine Dying in '99 Accord

FYI
The part # for the "electrical switch" is 35130-S84-305 $56.11
1.5 hours labor = $150

Misc. charges = $20

Then as a "favor" they gave me a 10% parts and 10% labor discount that
totalled $18.11, so I "only" paid $1.89 for the "misc" charges. What a
racket.

Wade

On Feb 25, 10:14*am, Wade <wcpu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it turned out to be the electrical contacts in the ignition.
>
> 2 nites ago, the car died on me at a light, still didn't notice if the
> dash lights were on or off, I was in traffic, at an intersection.
> Unlike before, this time the engine would not start, it cranked only.
> Then after a couple of minutes I tried it again, the car started, and
> the key got frozen sort of halfway. So ... I figured I better drive it
> to a repair place, and I was near a Honda dealer, so I drove there and
> parked it. Surprisingly the dealer was open till 8 pm on Tue. so I
> made it in time. The service guy wiggled the key and got it to come
> out.
> We ascertained the key was getting worn quite a bit, and it doesn't
> hit the tumblers well, and causes difficulty with turning the key.
> This happened to me earlier, and I replaced the key, after that it
> worked well.
>
> The electrical contacts were actually replaced in 2003 w/ about 67,000
> miles after I got a factory recall on it. The dealer asked Honda if
> they would cover a new one this time, they supposedly said no. The
> part was about $60, labor is "about 1.5 hours" @$100 hr. [ouch], the
> new key $25. Total out the door >> $254
> I have to pick up the car later today.
>
> The service guy said this electrical contact problem and the worn keys
> is all they usually see. The igniter problem he says happens in
> earlier Accords. [mine is '99]
>
> Thanks for everybody's input~!
>
> p.s. my drivers seat belt latch [female part] has acted funky for a
> long time now, where it will not latch securely, it pops out sometimes
> and I have to really push on it firmly to make sure it latches. I
> mentioned it to the service guy and he ordered a new one and he says
> they [Honda] cover those at no cost. I thought it was a federal
> warrany kind of thing, but he seemed to make it sound like it was a
> Honda deal.
>
> p.s.s. they had the electrical contacts part in stock, but had to
> order the seat belt latch, it was supposed to be on the truck today,
> but didn't make it, so I have to go back for that, that's a drag, but
> at least I will have a more secure seat belt. I'm in Nashville, I
> think he said the parts distribution center is in Atlanta.
>
> On Feb 22, 12:08*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wade <wcpu...@gmail.com> wrote innews:b9aa8e8d-e259-442d-990d-f79167b5a77f@q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

>
> > > On Feb 22, 5:49*am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:

>
> > >> Did all the dash lights come on as the engine died?

>
> > >> If YES: Igniter is bad.
> > >> If NO: Ignition switch is bad.

>
> > > It was daytime, and I was in traffic, so I was too distracted to
> > > notice. I sort of think the lights did not come on.
> > > The ignition switch was replaced a long time ago, under a recall.
> > > If it is the ignition switch, I wonder if they would replace it for
> > > free?? Doubtful.

>
> > Check for dash idiot-lights before condemning the ignition switch. I'm
> > betting igniter, right now.

>
> > Also, the next time it gives signs of dying, immediately look at the tach.
> > Is it at zero even before the engine stops turning?

>
> > > Where is the igniter? What does it cost? Expensive?

>
> > Inside the distributor. Wrecking yards are full of them, and for cheap.Do
> > NOT buy an aftermarket one.

>
> > > Would a good mechanic be able to tell which it is, if it is a sporadic
> > > problem?

>
> > Sure, but he's gotta know how Hondas work (and don't)!

>
> > --
> > Tegger

>
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