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Old 12 Feb 2010, 01:14 am
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Default Short stops, no start

It's becoming ever more frequent that my '94 Accord would not start
after short stops of a minute or two. Trying to start again with
completely pressed gas pedal does not help, either. The only thing that
helps is waiting five minutes or so. The crank is strong but the engine
does not catch on. I wonder if anybody here knows what might be going on
here.

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Old 12 Feb 2010, 05:00 am
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Cameo wrote:
> It's becoming ever more frequent that my '94 Accord would not start
> after short stops of a minute or two. Trying to start again with
> completely pressed gas pedal does not help, either. The only thing that
> helps is waiting five minutes or so. The crank is strong but the engine
> does not catch on. I wonder if anybody here knows what might be going on
> here.


Good chance it's the main relay. Reflowing the solder joints will
probably fix it, if so.

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Old 12 Feb 2010, 08:20 am
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On 02/11/2010 11:14 PM, Cameo wrote:
> It's becoming ever more frequent that my '94 Accord would not start
> after short stops of a minute or two. Trying to start again with
> completely pressed gas pedal does not help, either. The only thing that
> helps is waiting five minutes or so. The crank is strong but the engine
> does not catch on. I wonder if anybody here knows what might be going on
> here.


main relay. google this group or visit tegger.com.
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Old 12 Feb 2010, 12:39 pm
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:hl2v3u$8oi$1@news.eternal-
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> It's becoming ever more frequent that my '94 Accord would not start
> after short stops of a minute or two. Trying to start again with
> completely pressed gas pedal does not help, either. The only thing that
> helps is waiting five minutes or so. The crank is strong but the engine
> does not catch on. I wonder if anybody here knows what might be going on
> here.
>




When you crank and the engine does not start, does the tach needle jiggle
ever so slightly, or is it dead-still?


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Old 12 Feb 2010, 12:41 pm
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JRE <nothing@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
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> Cameo wrote:
>> It's becoming ever more frequent that my '94 Accord would not start
>> after short stops of a minute or two. Trying to start again with
>> completely pressed gas pedal does not help, either. The only thing
>> that helps is waiting five minutes or so. The crank is strong but the
>> engine does not catch on. I wonder if anybody here knows what might
>> be going on here.

>
> Good chance it's the main relay. Reflowing the solder joints will
> probably fix it, if so.
>



That was my first thought, and it may indeed be so, but it's a bit early in
the year for Main Relay complaints, no?

Main Relay problems usually start happening around April/May.


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Old 12 Feb 2010, 02:26 pm
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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
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> When you crank and the engine does not start, does the tach needle
> jiggle
> ever so slightly, or is it dead-still?


I'll have to watch for it next time when it happens. Thanks.

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Old 13 Feb 2010, 09:38 pm
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> main relay. google this group or visit tegger.com.


Thanks. I also called up a radio talk show this weekend that is hosted
by two Japanese car expert mechanics and when I described the symptoms,
they immediately said the same thing you gays are saying: main relay
problem. They also mentioned that this was a well known problem with my
Accord model. But now I wonder if there ever was a bulletin on those
main relays just as there was on the the ignition switch that was
replaced free when it started acting up, way after the car warranty
expired.

I plan to bring up the issue with the shop at my next oil change unless
I start experiencing the problem more often before that. BTW, what is
the normal fix for that at Honda shops? Replacing the relay with a new
one or resoldering? In either case, the fix might be quite expensive, I
suppose, considering the hard to reach location of the relay. Any idea
how much a new relay costs and whether the new ones are designed better
to avoid such problems in the future?

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Old 14 Feb 2010, 02:00 pm
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Cameo wrote:

>> main relay. google this group or visit tegger.com.


> Thanks. I also called up a radio talk show this weekend that is hosted
> by two Japanese car expert mechanics and when I described the symptoms,
> they immediately said the same thing you gays are saying: main relay
> problem. They also mentioned that this was a well known problem with my
> Accord model. But now I wonder if there ever was a bulletin on those
> main relays just as there was on the the ignition switch that was
> replaced free when it started acting up, way after the car warranty
> expired.


> I plan to bring up the issue with the shop at my next oil change unless
> I start experiencing the problem more often before that. BTW, what is
> the normal fix for that at Honda shops? Replacing the relay with a new
> one or resoldering? In either case, the fix might be quite expensive, I
> suppose, considering the hard to reach location of the relay. Any idea
> how much a new relay costs and whether the new ones are designed better
> to avoid such problems in the future?


It's a reasonably easy DIY job.

The relay is indeed nestled up in the tangle of wires adjacent to the
steering wheel, but it's not too deeply buried.
http://techauto.awardspace.com/mainrelaydefine.html#90

Once out, the fix is trivial.
Remove cover, apply a few drops of rosin flux (not acid flux, these
aren't your sink pipes!), apply heat to reflow, clean any gobs of
residual flux with a q-tip and rubbing alcohol, replace the cover.

http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/mainr...mainrelay.html
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Old 14 Feb 2010, 11:21 pm
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"Greg" <nospam@null.net> wrote:
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> It's a reasonably easy DIY job.
>
> The relay is indeed nestled up in the tangle of wires adjacent to the
> steering wheel, but it's not too deeply buried.
> http://techauto.awardspace.com/mainrelaydefine.html#90
>
> Once out, the fix is trivial.
> Remove cover, apply a few drops of rosin flux (not acid flux, these
> aren't your sink pipes!), apply heat to reflow, clean any gobs of
> residual flux with a q-tip and rubbing alcohol, replace the cover.
>
> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/mainr...mainrelay.html


I am generally pretty handy with electronics when it comes to PCs. I
assembled all my desktops from components, the first one from Heath Kit,
with lots of soldering. However, when it comes to cars, I am kinda'
chicken, especially when it comes to hard to reach places, like under
the dash. I alway worry that I might screw up something in the process
that used to work before. I am also often at a loss when it comes to
those snap joints connecting components to the wire harness, not quite
sure what to sqeeze or pry to disconnect them. Just the other day, for
instance, I was trying to fix the indicator switch light in the dash
board for the rear window defogger, only to discover that there was not
enough slack in the wire harness to easily separate the pried-open
switch from the harness with my fingers. I've experienced this kind of
problem with other components before, too. It's as if though Honda
designed its cars deliberately to make them hard to fix by amateurs. I
suppose somebody who does this kind of thing professionally, knows the
tricks how to do these things easily, but I don't.

In any case, I looked under the driver side dash with a flash light and
mirror, but could not quite locate the main relay with any confidence.
The one I thought might have been it, was indeed pretty far in and
rather inaccessible. Perhaps if one removes the front seat and lays on
his back on the floor with the head under the dash. I'm not sure. But
thanks for the additional detailed info on the subject, Greg, that will
be helpful if I really get the courage to try this myself.

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Old 15 Feb 2010, 08:25 pm
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"Greg" <nospam@null.net> wrote in message
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> It's a reasonably easy DIY job.
>
> The relay is indeed nestled up in the tangle of wires adjacent to the
> steering wheel, but it's not too deeply buried.
> http://techauto.awardspace.com/mainrelaydefine.html#90


Thanks to your link above, I realized I was looking for the main
relay on the wrong (left) side of the streering column. Due to the above
link I took another look on the right side with my camera under the dash
and I think the pics below show the relay. It sure is really hard to
reach.

<http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bx41cGCzYT76M2Q5NWQ2MjgtNDllZi00OGFlLTk1N 2UtNzdiOTg0YTAxNDRk&hl=en>

<http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bx41cGCzYT76NzVjNWQwODItMzdmZi00NGEyLTk5M mQtOGU3NzAwOGRlZTQx&hl=en>




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