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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517

"US chides Toyota over recall"

this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.

fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
in much greater numbers than toyota.

fact: the media has all but ignored it.

here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered
consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting
manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being
subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia.

fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable
vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics
assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import.

if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need
to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit
does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product.

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517
>
>"US chides Toyota over recall"
>
>this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>
>fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>in much greater numbers than toyota.
>
>fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>
>here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered
>consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting
>manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being
>subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia.
>
>fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable
>vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics
>assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import.
>
>if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need
>to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit
>does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product.

Well said.

Al Moodie

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517
>
>"US chides Toyota over recall"
>
>this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>
>fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>in much greater numbers than toyota.
>
>fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>
>here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered
>consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting
>manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being
>subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia.
>
>fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable
>vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics
>assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import.
>
>if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need
>to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit
>does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product.



You were right to begin with .... b.s.

On 02/03/10 10:17, jim beam wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517
>
>
> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>
> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>
> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>
> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>
> here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered
> consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting
> manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being
> subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia.
>
> fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable
> vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics
> assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import.
>
> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need
> to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit
> does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product.

Take a pill, relax.


("It's only Chinatown")

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
> ltoyota_20100203001517
>
> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>
> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>
> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>
> fact: the media has all but ignored it.




Currently Toyota accounts for 41% of all unintended acceleration incidents.
Ford accounts for 28%. Both Toyota and Ford have about a 16% market share
apiece.

GM and Chrysler have UA numbers smaller than their market shares. I don't
know the exact number.


--
Tegger

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
> ltoyota_20100203001517
>
> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>
> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>
> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>
> fact: the media has all but ignored it.



Another take on all this:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx
The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for
many years. He has some knowledge of machinery.



--
Tegger

On 2010-02-03 13:46:35 -0800, Grumpy AuContraire
<GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> said:

> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
> belong there...

From your mouth, to God's ears.

Ever drive in Arizona?

Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
>> ltoyota_20100203001517
>>
>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>
>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>
>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>>
>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>
>
>
> Another take on all this:
> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx
> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for
> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery.


Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to
emergency procedures common to all vehicles.

As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training.

As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training.

I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass
more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be
aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes
emergency responses to sudden life threatening events.

Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to
deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars
don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating
complexity.

Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
belong there...

JT

Conscience wrote:
> On 2010-02-03 13:46:35 -0800, Grumpy AuContraire
> <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> said:
>
>> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
>> belong there...
>
> From your mouth, to God's ears.
>
> Ever drive in Arizona?
>



Flaw-duh?

On 02/03/10 16:46, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
>> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal
>>> ltoyota_20100203001517
>>> "US chides Toyota over recall"
>>>
>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit.
>>>
>>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and
>>> in much greater numbers than toyota.
>>>
>>> fact: the media has all but ignored it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another take on all this:
>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx
>>
>> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for
>> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery.
>
>
> Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to
> emergency procedures common to all vehicles.
>
> As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training.
>
> As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training.
>
> I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass
> more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be
> aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes
> emergency responses to sudden life threatening events.
>
> Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to
> deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars
> don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating
> complexity.
>
> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't
> belong there...

They vote, too.