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Old 21 Jan 2010, 11:32 am
Ivory123
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Default "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

I told the mechanic I take my car to that I wanted an automatic
transmission fluid change Yesterday I saw him drain the automatic
transmission fluid and refill it, without driving it, draining it
again, and refilling it again. My car, a 1996 Civic, has 73,000 miles
on it and had one prior automatic transmission fluid change, when it
had about 63,000 miles on.)

Should I take it to a mechanic who will drain the fluid, refill the
fluid, drive the car, drain the fluid, refill the fluid, drive the
car, etc.?
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Old 21 Jan 2010, 12:57 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

Ivory123 <pkeys2009@gmail.com> wrote in news:0439b9cf-0804-4871-8a6a-
7d7456a26443@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

> I told the mechanic I take my car to that I wanted an automatic
> transmission fluid change Yesterday I saw him drain the automatic
> transmission fluid and refill it, without driving it, draining it
> again, and refilling it again. My car, a 1996 Civic, has 73,000 miles
> on it and had one prior automatic transmission fluid change, when it
> had about 63,000 miles on.)
>
> Should I take it to a mechanic who will drain the fluid, refill the
> fluid, drive the car, drain the fluid, refill the fluid, drive the
> car, etc.?
>



Yes. The second method is the one specified by Honda.

If you simply fill and drain and fill without running the engine and
driving the car, you're draining out the new fluid you just added, leaving
the old stuff completely untouched.


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Old 21 Jan 2010, 04:14 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

On Jan 21, 12:57*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Ivory123 <pkeys2...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0439b9cf-0804-4871-8a6a-
> 7d7456a26...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I told the mechanic I take my car to that I wanted an automatic
> > transmission fluid change Yesterday I saw him drain the automatic
> > transmission fluid and refill it, without driving it, draining it
> > again, and refilling it again. *My car, a 1996 Civic, has 73,000 miles
> > on it and had one prior automatic transmission fluid change, when it
> > had about 63,000 miles on.)

>
> > Should I take it to a mechanic who will drain the fluid, *refill the
> > fluid, drive the car, drain the fluid, refill the fluid, drive the
> > car, etc.?

>
> Yes. The second method is the one specified by Honda.
>
> If you simply fill and drain and fill without running the engine and
> driving the car, *you're draining out the new fluid you just added, leaving
> the old stuff completely untouched.
>
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I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
would still be not "kosher"?
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Old 21 Jan 2010, 05:17 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

On 2010-01-21, Ivory123 <pkeys2009@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 12:57*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> Ivory123 <pkeys2...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0439b9cf-0804-4871-8a6a-
>> 7d7456a26...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > I told the mechanic I take my car to that I wanted an automatic
>> > transmission fluid change Yesterday I saw him drain the automatic
>> > transmission fluid and refill it, without driving it, draining it
>> > again, and refilling it again. *My car, a 1996 Civic, has 73,000 miles
>> > on it and had one prior automatic transmission fluid change, when it
>> > had about 63,000 miles on.)

>>
>> > Should I take it to a mechanic who will drain the fluid, *refill the
>> > fluid, drive the car, drain the fluid, refill the fluid, drive the
>> > car, etc.?

>>
>> Yes. The second method is the one specified by Honda.
>>
>> If you simply fill and drain and fill without running the engine and
>> driving the car, *you're draining out the new fluid you just added, leaving
>> the old stuff completely untouched.

>
> I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
> would still be not "kosher"?


That's kosher for a standard drain/fill. If you need a "flush", then
the drain/fill/drive/repeat 2 more times procedure is the one to use.

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Old 21 Jan 2010, 05:26 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

Ivory123 <pkeys2009@gmail.com> wrote in news:5fda2382-4305-4b43-a852-
f7990d2193e8@l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:


>
> I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
> would still be not "kosher"?




If he does not drive the car between each drain/fill, it's not "kosher". If
he DOES drive the car between each drain/fill sequence, then it IS
"kosher".

You need to do a drain/fill/drive three times in a row to perform a proper
fluid change.


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Old 21 Jan 2010, 05:27 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:slrnhlhkj3.o25.joe@barada.griffincs.local:

> On 2010-01-21, Ivory123 <pkeys2009@gmail.com> wrote:


>>
>> I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
>> would still be not "kosher"?

>
> That's kosher for a standard drain/fill. If you need a "flush", then
> the drain/fill/drive/repeat 2 more times procedure is the one to use.
>



If you're doing the drain/fill just once, then you need to be doing that
very regularly, like engine oil changes.


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Old 21 Jan 2010, 08:01 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

In article <Xns9D07B16559CEBtegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> > I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
> > would still be not "kosher"?

>
>
>
> If he does not drive the car between each drain/fill, it's not "kosher". If
> he DOES drive the car between each drain/fill sequence, then it IS
> "kosher".
>
> You need to do a drain/fill/drive three times in a row to perform a proper
> fluid change.


Not quite.

A "change" is a drain then fill--according to Honda.

Honda specifies not to "flush" the fluid, but does specify that if you
want a more complete (not "a complete") change, you do the drain then
fill then drive then drain then fill then drive then drain then fill
procedure.
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Old 21 Jan 2010, 08:01 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

In article <Xns9D07B1A58A2F6tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> If you're doing the drain/fill just once, then you need to be doing that
> very regularly, like engine oil changes.


Not according to Honda.
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Old 21 Jan 2010, 09:07 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-58B605.20013021012010@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <Xns9D07B16559CEBtegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> > I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
>> > would still be not "kosher"?

>>
>>
>>
>> If he does not drive the car between each drain/fill, it's not
>> "kosher". If he DOES drive the car between each drain/fill sequence,
>> then it IS "kosher".
>>
>> You need to do a drain/fill/drive three times in a row to perform a
>> proper fluid change.

>
> Not quite.
>
> A "change" is a drain then fill--according to Honda.




Now that I actually look it up, you are right. And if a "change" was all
the OP requested, then the mechanic did it properly, within Honda's narrow
definition of a "change".

I was confusing "change" and "flush".



>
> Honda specifies not to "flush" the fluid,




Honda specifies not to do CHEMICAL flushes. The four-time fluid change (not
three as I originally stated) is the Honda-specified "flush". The four-time
deal is actually referred to by Honda as a "flush".



> but does specify that if you
> want a more complete (not "a complete") change, you do the drain then
> fill then drive then drain then fill then drive then drain then fill
> procedure.




THAT is what Honda refers to as a proper "flush", according to the docs
I've got.

Honda specifies a fluid change every 90K or five years under the Normal
schedule, but frankly I don't trust that. If it were my car, I'd be doing a
fluid change twice a year, at least. Automatic transmissions are very
expensive, and Honda's automatics don't have the best reputation just
now...



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Old 21 Jan 2010, 11:06 pm
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Default Re: "abbreviated" automatic transmission fluid change

On 01/21/2010 06:07 PM, Tegger wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty"<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> news:elmop-58B605.20013021012010@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> In article<Xns9D07B16559CEBtegger@208.90.168.18>,
>> Tegger<invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>
>>>> I saw the mechanic first drain then fill with fluid. I guess this
>>>> would still be not "kosher"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If he does not drive the car between each drain/fill, it's not
>>> "kosher". If he DOES drive the car between each drain/fill sequence,
>>> then it IS "kosher".
>>>
>>> You need to do a drain/fill/drive three times in a row to perform a
>>> proper fluid change.

>>
>> Not quite.
>>
>> A "change" is a drain then fill--according to Honda.

>
>
>
> Now that I actually look it up, you are right. And if a "change" was all
> the OP requested, then the mechanic did it properly, within Honda's narrow
> definition of a "change".
>
> I was confusing "change" and "flush".
>
>
>
>>
>> Honda specifies not to "flush" the fluid,

>
>
>
> Honda specifies not to do CHEMICAL flushes. The four-time fluid change (not
> three as I originally stated) is the Honda-specified "flush". The four-time
> deal is actually referred to by Honda as a "flush".
>
>
>
>> but does specify that if you
>> want a more complete (not "a complete") change, you do the drain then
>> fill then drive then drain then fill then drive then drain then fill
>> procedure.

>
>
>
> THAT is what Honda refers to as a proper "flush", according to the docs
> I've got.
>
> Honda specifies a fluid change every 90K or five years under the Normal
> schedule, but frankly I don't trust that. If it were my car, I'd be doing a
> fluid change twice a year, at least.


like your 2500 mile synthetic engine oil change? dude, with respect,
that's just illogical fear of the unknown, not a fact-based knowledge.
last time i changed my transmission oil, it came out slightly browner
than it went in, but the drain plug magnet had almost nothing on it.
that's at my 89 civic's full 30k mile interval.


> Automatic transmissions are very
> expensive, and Honda's automatics don't have the best reputation just
> now...


not on the v6's, but the good old fashioned 4-speed autos on the i4
engines were/are exemplary.


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