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Old 24 Dec 2009, 03:10 am
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is hybrid better than normal car?
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Old 24 Dec 2009, 08:37 am
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:10:49 +0800, Patrina <moonr@tm.net.my> wrote:

>is hybrid better than normal car?


Yes. What is the criteria that would make it better?
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Old 24 Dec 2009, 08:43 am
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dgk wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:10:49 +0800, Patrina <moonr@tm.net.my> wrote:
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>> is hybrid better than normal car?

>
> Yes. What is the criteria that would make it better?



What's normal?
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Old 24 Dec 2009, 09:48 am
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News <News@Group.Name> wrote in news:vdCdnfDvQK6_
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> dgk wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:10:49 +0800, Patrina <moonr@tm.net.my> wrote:
>>
>>> is hybrid better than normal car?

>>
>> Yes. What is the criteria that would make it better?

>
>
> What's normal?
>



The opposite of abnormal, of course. And abnormal is the opposite of
normal.


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Old 24 Dec 2009, 09:49 am
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dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:m3v6j5lpog5d727a2o4m9vid2smmr16pl6@
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> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:10:49 +0800, Patrina <moonr@tm.net.my> wrote:
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>>is hybrid better than normal car?

>
> Yes. What is the criteria that would make it better?




It's not better for saving money, that's for sure.

Hybrids are an awfully expensive way to save money. Forbes Magazine's Jerry
Flint has calculated in the current issue that a Prius will take 12 years
to break-even compared to a Corolla. And a Lexus RX450h will take 7 years
to break-even compared to the non-hybrid version.



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Old 24 Dec 2009, 10:17 am
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In article <Xns9CEB6E05C5AF1tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> Forbes Magazine's Jerry
> Flint has calculated in the current issue that a Prius will take 12 years
> to break-even compared to a Corolla.


....unless you need some feature of the Prius that's not in the
Corolla...like the extra room...in which case, buying the Corolla is a
$15K waste of money.
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Old 24 Dec 2009, 11:42 pm
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Patrina wrote:
> is hybrid better than normal car?



It depends on your situation. If you do mainly city driving but need
a family-sized car, a hybrid is better. If you drive mostly in the city
and don't mind owning a very small car, a subcompact is a better buy. If
you drive mostly highway miles a hybrid is not worth the extra cost,
because it's advantage comes from recovering and storing the energy lost
during lots of slowing and stopping.
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Old 25 Dec 2009, 06:55 am
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In article <rqXYm.74756$de6.54438@newsfe21.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net>
wrote:

> If
> you drive mostly highway miles a hybrid is not worth the extra cost,
> because it's advantage comes from recovering and storing the energy lost
> during lots of slowing and stopping.


except, try to find a modern car of similar size and comfort as the
Prius that gets 50+ mpg.

There's more to the Prius than just managing kinetic energy. No car of
similar size and feature set is capable of getting over 50mpg on the
highway, or anywhere near 50mpg.
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Old 25 Dec 2009, 09:56 am
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On 12/25/2009 04:55 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<rqXYm.74756$de6.54438@newsfe21.iad>, Leftie<No@Thanks.net>
> wrote:
>
>> If
>> you drive mostly highway miles a hybrid is not worth the extra cost,
>> because it's advantage comes from recovering and storing the energy lost
>> during lots of slowing and stopping.

>
> except, try to find a modern car of similar size and comfort as the
> Prius that gets 50+ mpg.
>
> There's more to the Prius than just managing kinetic energy. No car of
> similar size and feature set is capable of getting over 50mpg on the
> highway, or anywhere near 50mpg.


i was going to respond to leftie, but you've pointed out what i was
going to say. reason is the prius's cvt. it's a great system. the
civic hx used to have it and can get very good freeway gas mileage -
high 40's.

many euro and asian market vehicles have cvt, but they're
extraordinarily scarce here, and gas consumption correspondingly higher.
"part of our great american gas guzzler conspiracy".

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Old 25 Dec 2009, 10:02 am
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <rqXYm.74756$de6.54438@newsfe21.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net>
> wrote:
>
>> If
>> you drive mostly highway miles a hybrid is not worth the extra cost,
>> because it's advantage comes from recovering and storing the energy lost
>> during lots of slowing and stopping.

>
> except, try to find a modern car of similar size and comfort as the
> Prius that gets 50+ mpg.
>
> There's more to the Prius than just managing kinetic energy. No car of
> similar size and feature set is capable of getting over 50mpg on the
> highway, or anywhere near 50mpg.



No, but there are cars of similar size that will get 40mpg highway
and are substantially cheaper (like a Jetta diesel), so there is no
payback of the difference.

I support using hybrids. I just don't want people mislead about the
advantages.
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