Honda Car Forum

> You talking to Elmo and me?
>
> It seems clear to me that he and I are on your side here.
>
> > techs don't
> > work for free, we work on flat rate. have for many years. this is
> > nothing new.
> > if you go to your doctor and he finds nothing wrong with you you
> > can damn well bet he will still bill you insurance company. but you
> > don't care about that until they raise your rates, then the bitching
> > starts.
>
> Agreed on all counts.

i just love to see these people get all stirred up over something
that was likely their fault anyway. i do appreciate thebacking on
this and it wasn't directed at you. This is the stuff i deal with all
the time so i've pretty much heard it all. but it's still funny to
stir the pot now and again.
Chip

> You talking to Elmo and me?
>
> It seems clear to me that he and I are on your side here.
>
> > techs don't
> > work for free, we work on flat rate. have for many years. this is
> > nothing new.
> > if you go to your doctor and he finds nothing wrong with you you
> > can damn well bet he will still bill you insurance company. but you
> > don't care about that until they raise your rates, then the bitching
> > starts.
>
> Agreed on all counts.

i just love to see these people get all stirred up over something
that was likely their fault anyway. i do appreciate thebacking on
this and it wasn't directed at you. This is the stuff i deal with all
the time so i've pretty much heard it all. but it's still funny to
stir the pot now and again.
Chip

> You talking to Elmo and me?
>
> It seems clear to me that he and I are on your side here.
>
> > techs don't
> > work for free, we work on flat rate. have for many years. this is
> > nothing new.
> > if you go to your doctor and he finds nothing wrong with you you
> > can damn well bet he will still bill you insurance company. but you
> > don't care about that until they raise your rates, then the bitching
> > starts.
>
> Agreed on all counts.

i just love to see these people get all stirred up over something
that was likely their fault anyway. i do appreciate thebacking on
this and it wasn't directed at you. This is the stuff i deal with all
the time so i've pretty much heard it all. but it's still funny to
stir the pot now and again.
Chip

"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote
Caroline wrote
> > You talking to Elmo and me?
> >
> > It seems clear to me that he and I are on your side here.
> >
> > > techs don't
> > > work for free, we work on flat rate. have for many years. this is
> > > nothing new.
> > > if you go to your doctor and he finds nothing wrong with you you
> > > can damn well bet he will still bill you insurance company. but you
> > > don't care about that until they raise your rates, then the bitching
> > > starts.
> >
> > Agreed on all counts.
>
> i just love to see these people get all stirred up over something
> that was likely their fault anyway. i do appreciate thebacking on
> this and it wasn't directed at you.

Oh, okay.

> This is the stuff i deal with all
> the time so i've pretty much heard it all. but it's still funny to
> stir the pot now and again.

I myself think a lot of folks who, say, never got their hands dirty take pause
when this type of thread pops up. Ultimately, they may have more appreciation
for the work auto technicians do.

But if stirring the pot melts your butter, I understand. :-)

I was wondering how it work in another way. Hello Doctors office-I feel
sick. You come in, they look you over and they tell you to take some over
the counter stuff and get some warm soup in you, stay warm and dry. They
fixed nothing, so therefore that doctors office visit should be free. Or am
I wrong.

I know the prices the dealers charge are a bit high and they have to cover
their asses on stuff. But they did go to Honda school and they got all that
stuff to pay for. I hate to say it, but that's the way it is. I guess I am
lucky, I have a certified Honda Master mechanic around the corner from my
house. I do not bother him for small stuff (oil and tire stuff) but the big
things he does at a real good price. He even uses Honda stuff on my car.
Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:wCBTc.34465$wM.11543@twister.tampabay.rr.com. ..
> On 8/14/2004 8:01 PM Chip Stein spake these words of knowledge:
>
>
> >> > Yes, I know, it was stupid to take it to the dealer and I have
> >> > learned my lesson, but it still stings pretty bad. I am a huge Honda
> >> > fan, but this has soured me a little.... funny thing is that we were
> >> > going in to look at Odysseys at that dealership this weekend, not
> >> > now.
> >> >
> >> > brian drake
> >> > charlotte, nc
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > so what you are saying is that the tech's time and the dealerships
> > time is worth nothing. the fact that you left your gas cap loose is
> > not their problem, it's yours! and it should cost you. that piece of
> > equipment they read your codes with is called the HDS and costs them
> > about 6000.00. it has to get paid for. what line of work are you in
> > by the way????
> > Chip
>
>
> No, Chip; that's not how it works. Nor is that how it *used* to work.
> Here's how it *did* used to work. When you had a problem, you took it
> to someone you trusted to be competent, and trusted not to **** you too
> hard on the cost. If they couldn't diagnose the problem, they didn't
> charge you. If they did diagnose the problem, they told you what it
> was. If you couldn't get it fixed right then, you didn't; you would
> usually pay some sort of fee for the diagnosis at this time, or you left
> with the understanding that when you did get it fixed, you would do it
> at that shop. They trusted you to be fair and honest with them.
>
> If you did get it fixed right then, you did it there; you trusted them
> to be fair and honest with you.
>
> If there wasn't any actual problem, say something like the problem
> outlined by the originating poster of a loose gascap, they told you, you
> said thanks, and went home. When you had a problem in the future, you
> remembered how you were treated and took it back to the same shop.
>
> No one's time or labor is thought to be worthless; you have working
> people who trust the shop to be competent, fair and honest, and you have
> repair shop personnel who trust that their customers will recognize
> value received and become satisfied, repeat customers.
>
> In contrast, I was charged $279 not long ago for an oil change, tire
> rotation, and a list of 'inspections' which took roughly six minutes to
> perform on my Odyssey, by the Honda shop. Unfortunately, there is only
> one in my area, and no one else I trust to do these inspections.
>
> It's free enterprise, of course; I don't have to take my Honda there for
> service. But it isn't right, not by a long shot.
>
> I know you asked Brian this question, but I'm going to answer; I have a
> company that services computers, and does networking and other
> computer-related work (www.wetumpkatechnology.com). Not long ago, I was
> called to a law office to diagnose a computer problem. Although I spent
> two hours, I was unable to determine the cause of the problem. My
> hourly rate is $90, but in this case I chose not to charge even the $35
> rate I charge just to show up. I told them that I didn't find, much
> less fix, the problem. I told them (well, wrote down for them) what to
> say to the manufacturer to take the next step in resolving it.
>
> That law firm has become one of my best customers; I have worked on
> their systems, and worked on the home PCs of some of the employees as
well.
>
> Because they trust me not to **** 'em over on the price, and not to
> bullshit with them. Because I took a chance and didn't charge them when
> I couldn't help them.
>
> This economic model works; older people will tell you that that's how it
> used to work all the time. It still does - or can.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
> --
> "The best years of your life are the ones in which you decide your
> problems are your own. You do not blame them on your mother, the
> ecology or the president. You realize that you control your own
> destiny." -- Albert Ellis




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I enjoyed immensely the running back and forth commentary.
It was well worth the reading.
I think a few of us can start our own debate club.
Nothing like politics to get things going.
****
Sometimes it may be best to leave sleeping dogs alone, but dogs were not
made to sleep. That is why God made cats.

Smile and make the world think you are up to something.


Caroline <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote
> Caroline wrote
> > > You talking to Elmo and me?
> > >
> > > It seems clear to me that he and I are on your side here.
> > >
> > > > techs don't
> > > > work for free, we work on flat rate. have for many years. this is
> > > > nothing new.
> > > > if you go to your doctor and he finds nothing wrong with you you
> > > > can damn well bet he will still bill you insurance company. but
you
> > > > don't care about that until they raise your rates, then the bitching
> > > > starts.
> > >
> > > Agreed on all counts.
> >
> > i just love to see these people get all stirred up over something
> > that was likely their fault anyway. i do appreciate thebacking on
> > this and it wasn't directed at you.
>
> Oh, okay.
>
> > This is the stuff i deal with all
> > the time so i've pretty much heard it all. but it's still funny to
> > stir the pot now and again.
>
> I myself think a lot of folks who, say, never got their hands dirty take
pause
> when this type of thread pops up. Ultimately, they may have more
appreciation
> for the work auto technicians do.
>
> But if stirring the pot melts your butter, I understand. :-)
>
>




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