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> The "Top Tier" gas standard dictates the use of lots of ethanol. I refuse
> to use it for that reason.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Tegger:

As always, thanks for chiming in.

You open up a whole other subject of great interest to me. Please
check on the accuracy of your statement. I respect your expertise, but
I believe you are incorrect on this, at least in some cases. Shell is
also Top Tier, and many stations sell the brand without ethanol.

Here in Wisconsin, at some stations, they sell gas with and without
10% ethanol. The pumps specifically state that fact. The Road Ranger/
Pilot station I referenced had "Top Tier" decals on ALL the pumps,
those with and without ethanol.

By the way, they charge a little more for the fuel without ethanol,
and I'm glad to pay the extra price. I get much better gas mileage
with non-enthanol fuel.

Bionic Man <t.p.bernhardt@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:573cb714-c840-4149-8291-cfff9a5819b1@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:

>
>> The "Top Tier" gas standard dictates the use of lots of ethanol. I
>> refuse to use it for that reason.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Tegger:
>
> As always, thanks for chiming in.
>
> You open up a whole other subject of great interest to me. Please
> check on the accuracy of your statement.




I did. You can too. Go check out the Top Tier Gas offical website:
http://www.toptiergas.com



> I respect your expertise, but
> I believe you are incorrect on this, at least in some cases. Shell is
> also Top Tier, and many stations sell the brand without ethanol.



They cannot sell "Top Tier" gas without ethanol. There is no such thing.


Excerpted from the Top Tier Gas website's Deposit Control page at
http://www.toptiergas.com/deposit_control.html :

"1.3.1.2 Base Fuel. The base fuel shall conform to ASTM D 4814 and shall
contain commercial fuel grade ethanol conforming to ASTM D 4806."

"The base fuel shall have the following specific properties after the
addition of ethanol:
1. Contain enough denatured ethanol such that the actual ethanol content
is no less than 8.0 and no more than 10.0 volume percent...."



>
> Here in Wisconsin, at some stations, they sell gas with and without
> 10% ethanol. The pumps specifically state that fact. The Road Ranger/
> Pilot station I referenced had "Top Tier" decals on ALL the pumps,
> those with and without ethanol.



Then they are violating the "Top Tier" standard. they're using the "Top
Tier" designation on non-Top-Tier gas in the hopes of snookering
unsuspecting motorists.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

In article
<573cb714-c840-4149-8291-cfff9a5819b1@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Bionic Man <t.p.bernhardt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > The "Top Tier" gas standard dictates the use of lots of ethanol. I refuse
> > to use it for that reason.
> >
> > --
> > Tegger
> >
> > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> Tegger:
>
> As always, thanks for chiming in.
>
> You open up a whole other subject of great interest to me. Please
> check on the accuracy of your statement. I respect your expertise, but
> I believe you are incorrect on this, at least in some cases. Shell is
> also Top Tier, and many stations sell the brand without ethanol.

http://www.toptiergas.com/deposit_control.html

1.3.1.2 Base Fuel. The base fuel shall conform to ASTM D 4814 and
shall contain commercial fuel grade ethanol conforming to ASTM D 4806.
All gasoline blend stocks used to formulate the base fuel shall be
representative of normal U.S. refinery operations and shall be derived
from conversion units downstream of distillation. Butanes and pentanes
are allowed for vapor pressure adjustment. The use of chemical streams
is prohibited. The base fuel shall have the following specific
properties after the addition of ethanol:

1. Contain enough denatured ethanol such that the actual ethanol
content is no less than 8.0 and no more than 10.0 volume percent.