Honda Car Forum

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:41 -0600, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 11/5/09 11:27 AM, in article hcv1ss$lop@venera.isi.edu, "Gene Wagenbreth"
><genewxxx@isi-OS4> wrote:
>
>> Where is the burp screw ? How do you use it ?
>>
>> G
>
>Look in the vicinity of the top radiator hose connection on the engine for
>either a small hex head bolt/screw. Set the heater to max, open it a couple
>of turns until coolant comes out in a steady stream without bubbles. Close
>the screw, top it off & idle the engine until the radiator fan comes on
>twice (heater still at max) then open it again (VERY slowly) and let any
>trapped air out.
>
>For the next several days, check & top off the radiator & overflow tank
>before the first start in the morning & it should get rid of all the air.
>


Is this the same thing as using the drain screw at the bottom of the
radiator? Not sure if this Honda has one but some cars had it.

"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> Gene Wagenbreth <genewxxx@isi-OS4> wrote in
> news:hcsheg$33m@venera.isi.edu:
>
>
> Sure does sound like a sticking thermostat. I'll bet it's crappy
> aftermarket, too.
>
> The heater feed is independent of the thermostat, so it will work even
> when
> the engine is cold and the thermostat is closed.
>
> Try a new OEM Honda thermostat. About $40 or so and worth every penny.
>

I doubt Honda manufactures their own thermostats -- instead buying them from
one of the high quality specialty manufacturers-- as they do for so many
parts and subassemblies of the car.

Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured aftermarket
part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra dough?

"3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
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> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CBA64AD49C93tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> Gene Wagenbreth <genewxxx@isi-OS4> wrote in
>> news:hcsheg$33m@venera.isi.edu:
>>
>>
>> Sure does sound like a sticking thermostat. I'll bet it's crappy
>> aftermarket, too.
>>
>> The heater feed is independent of the thermostat, so it will work
>> even when
>> the engine is cold and the thermostat is closed.
>>
>> Try a new OEM Honda thermostat. About $40 or so and worth every
>> penny.
>>
>
> I doubt Honda manufactures their own thermostats



They don't. The ones I see are made by Nippon Thermostat, are marked
"NTCL", and are of superlative quality.



> -- instead buying
> them from one of the high quality specialty manufacturers-- as they do
> for so many parts and subassemblies of the car.
>
> Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured aftermarket
> part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra dough?
>


Because OEM is built to Honda's exacting and stringent specs. Aftermarket,
even from the same manufacturer as the OEM stuff, is built to be cheap.

Aftermarket is crap, and aftermarket thermostats are crappy. There is no
acceptably "high quality" aftermarket thermostat available for Hondas.
Anything other than OEM is a step down.


--
Tegger

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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9CBAC85668B89tegger@208.90.168.18...
> "3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
> news:hcvm58$kbo$1@news.albasani.net:
>
>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9CBA64AD49C93tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> Gene Wagenbreth <genewxxx@isi-OS4> wrote in
>>> news:hcsheg$33m@venera.isi.edu:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure does sound like a sticking thermostat. I'll bet it's crappy
>>> aftermarket, too.
>>>
>>> The heater feed is independent of the thermostat, so it will work
>>> even when
>>> the engine is cold and the thermostat is closed.
>>>
>>> Try a new OEM Honda thermostat. About $40 or so and worth every
>>> penny.
>>>
>>
>> I doubt Honda manufactures their own thermostats
>
>
>
> They don't. The ones I see are made by Nippon Thermostat, are marked
> "NTCL", and are of superlative quality.
>
>
>
>> -- instead buying
>> them from one of the high quality specialty manufacturers-- as they do
>> for so many parts and subassemblies of the car.
>>
>> Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured aftermarket
>> part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra dough?
>>
>
>
> Because OEM is built to Honda's exacting and stringent specs. Aftermarket,
> even from the same manufacturer as the OEM stuff, is built to be cheap.
>
> Aftermarket is crap, and aftermarket thermostats are crappy. There is no
> acceptably "high quality" aftermarket thermostat available for Hondas.
> Anything other than OEM is a step down.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

OK, thanks. You convinced me...

"3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
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> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CBAC85668B89tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> "3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
>> news:hcvm58$kbo$1@news.albasani.net:

>>>
>>> Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured
>>> aftermarket part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra
>>> dough?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Because OEM is built to Honda's exacting and stringent specs.
>> Aftermarket, even from the same manufacturer as the OEM stuff, is
>> built to be cheap.
>>
>> Aftermarket is crap, and aftermarket thermostats are crappy. There is
>> no acceptably "high quality" aftermarket thermostat available for
>> Hondas. Anything other than OEM is a step down.
>>
>>
>
>
> OK, thanks. You convinced me...
>
>
>


You gave in quick.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

"3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
news:hcvm58$kbo$1@news.albasani.net:

> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CBA64AD49C93tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> Gene Wagenbreth <genewxxx@isi-OS4> wrote in
>> news:hcsheg$33m@venera.isi.edu:
>>
>>
>> Sure does sound like a sticking thermostat. I'll bet it's crappy
>> aftermarket, too.
>>
>> The heater feed is independent of the thermostat, so it will work
>> even when
>> the engine is cold and the thermostat is closed.
>>
>> Try a new OEM Honda thermostat. About $40 or so and worth every
>> penny.
>>
>
> I doubt Honda manufactures their own thermostats -- instead buying
> them from one of the high quality specialty manufacturers-- as they do
> for so many parts and subassemblies of the car.
>
> Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured aftermarket
> part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra dough?
>
>
>

how do you KNOW the aftermarket part is "well-designed/manufactured"?
At least with a true Honda part,you know it meets all specs.

Now,if you could find out who is Honda's OEM manufacturer for that part...
then you could go buy it aftermarket.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns9CBB50C54A0BDjyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.4 4:


>>
>
> how do you KNOW the aftermarket part is "well-designed/manufactured"?
> At least with a true Honda part,you know it meets all specs.



And that makes ALL the difference in the world.

It's why a FRAM oil filter is of excellent quality when purchased with a
blue can and the "Honda" logo on it, but an aftermarket FRAM has a
questionable reputation.


>
> Now,if you could find out who is Honda's OEM manufacturer for that
> part... then you could go buy it aftermarket.
>



Honda thermostats are made by Nippon Thermostat (NTCL).

AFAIK, NTCL is like Showa, in that they do OEM-only. No aftermarket.


--
Tegger

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www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:55:28 -0600, "Observer" <none@void.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:41 -0600, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 11/5/09 11:27 AM, in article hcv1ss$lop@venera.isi.edu, "Gene Wagenbreth"
>><genewxxx@isi-OS4> wrote:
>>
>>> Where is the burp screw ? How do you use it ?
>>>
>>> G
>>
>>Look in the vicinity of the top radiator hose connection on the engine for
>>either a small hex head bolt/screw. Set the heater to max, open it a couple
>>of turns until coolant comes out in a steady stream without bubbles. Close
>>the screw, top it off & idle the engine until the radiator fan comes on
>>twice (heater still at max) then open it again (VERY slowly) and let any
>>trapped air out.
>>
>>For the next several days, check & top off the radiator & overflow tank
>>before the first start in the morning & it should get rid of all the air.
>>
>
>
>Is this the same thing as using the drain screw at the bottom of the
>radiator? Not sure if this Honda has one but some cars had it.

No, air goes up. You can't drain air from a system at the bottom.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
>news:hcvtu0$ukd$1@news.albasani.net:
>
>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9CBAC85668B89tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> "3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
>>> news:hcvm58$kbo$1@news.albasani.net:
>
>>>>
>>>> Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured
>>>> aftermarket part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra
>>>> dough?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because OEM is built to Honda's exacting and stringent specs.
>>> Aftermarket, even from the same manufacturer as the OEM stuff, is
>>> built to be cheap.
>>>
>>> Aftermarket is crap, and aftermarket thermostats are crappy. There is
>>> no acceptably "high quality" aftermarket thermostat available for
>>> Hondas. Anything other than OEM is a step down.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> OK, thanks. You convinced me...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>You gave in quick.


I replaced the thermostat in my 91 Accord. It still gave me no heat. I
replaced it again, no heat. I gave up and took it to Honda. They
replaced the thermostat. I got heat. I learned my lesson.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:31:22 -0500, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
>wrote:
>
>>"3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
>>news:hcvtu0$ukd$1@news.albasani.net:
>>
>>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9CBAC85668B89tegger@208.90.168.18...
>>>> "3rd & Long" <defense@sec.fb> wrote in
>>>> news:hcvm58$kbo$1@news.albasani.net:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not just buy a high quality well designed/manufactured
>>>>> aftermarket part -- not just some Big Box POS-- and save the extra
>>>>> dough?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because OEM is built to Honda's exacting and stringent specs.
>>>> Aftermarket, even from the same manufacturer as the OEM stuff, is
>>>> built to be cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Aftermarket is crap, and aftermarket thermostats are crappy. There is
>>>> no acceptably "high quality" aftermarket thermostat available for
>>>> Hondas. Anything other than OEM is a step down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, thanks. You convinced me...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>You gave in quick.
>
>
>I replaced the thermostat in my 91 Accord. It still gave me no heat. I
>replaced it again, no heat. I gave up and took it to Honda. They
>replaced the thermostat. I got heat. I learned my lesson.


You probably were putting it in upside down to begin with. OEM SchmoEM
, a thermostat is a thermostat. Company A bids on a contract to supply
Honda with them , Honda jacks price by 30% . You are buying the exact
same aftermarket product 9 out of 10 times in most parts.