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Old 25 Jul 2004, 03:23 pm
CaptainKrunch
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Default Whats the deal with the new oil change intervals??????

2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under
normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k, oil
again at 30k and so on.

Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of advice
and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter.

The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum I
don't think they will last that long and perform properly.

CaptainKrunch


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Old 26 Jul 2004, 12:16 am
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Default Re: Whats the deal with the new oil change intervals??????

No harm in changing your oil at shorter intervals, actually the better
option mechanically although at the expense of increasing your maintenance
cost.

"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> 2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under
> normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k,

oil
> again at 30k and so on.
>
> Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of

advice
> and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter.
>
> The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum

I
> don't think they will last that long and perform properly.
>
> CaptainKrunch
>
>



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Old 28 Jul 2004, 05:55 pm
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Default do it every 4500k

i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
since they add so many additives to oil now a days.

"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> 2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under
> normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k,
> oil
> again at 30k and so on.
>
> Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of
> advice
> and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter.
>
> The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum
> I
> don't think they will last that long and perform properly.
>
> CaptainKrunch
>
>



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Old 28 Jul 2004, 08:59 pm
Tony Hwang
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

lamont wrote:
> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
> influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
> since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
> "CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
> news:e6SdnYcfL_wRlJncRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>
>>2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under
>>normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k,
>>oil
>>again at 30k and so on.
>>
>>Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of
>>advice
>>and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter.
>>
>>The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum
>>I
>>don't think they will last that long and perform properly.
>>
>>CaptainKrunch
>>
>>

>
>
>

Hi,
Platinum plugs on unleaded gas last LONG time. Unless you experience
drivability issue with your car don't replace anything just because
they're at certain mileage point. We throw away way too many consumable
parts prematurely. Air filter, PCV valve, plugs/wires, oil/filter, etc.
Tony

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Old 29 Jul 2004, 05:20 pm
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
<lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:

> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
> influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
> since they add so many additives to oil now a days.


The general rule used by lots of people is
every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.

Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
There is a reason:
They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
money off repairs.

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Old 29 Jul 2004, 06:20 pm
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

Jason wrote:
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>


Perhaps. However, one of the principle reasons is to lower the expected
maintenance costs such that the car gets a better rating by groups like
Consumer Reports.

Eric
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Old 29 Jul 2004, 06:59 pm
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were

heavily
> > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine

especially
> > since they add so many additives to oil now a days.

>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.


Well, maybe I'm gambling, but I drive my car hard, change the oil at approx
7500 and have put over 100,000 miles on it in only 36.5 months. Still runs
great, plugs are clean (changed them for the first time last week) and
starts up right away everytime.


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Old 30 Jul 2004, 12:16 am
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

I highly doubt that any car company would stake their reputation (this means
money) on extending oil change intervals if the long term effects would be
negative.

Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about
the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the
engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent
sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to
call bullshit on your argument.

CaptainKrunch


"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were

heavily
> > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine

especially
> > since they add so many additives to oil now a days.

>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>
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Old 30 Jul 2004, 08:29 am
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:16:56 -0700, CaptainKrunch <nobody@nothing.com> sayeth:

>Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about
>the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the
>engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent
>sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to
>call bullshit on your argument.


I agree. Most new cars would probably do fine on 15,000 mile
intervals with normal driving. It wouldn't be recommended for a car
you care about, but the car would likely still be running fine even
after 60,000 miles.

Changing oil every 3,000 miles certainly doesnt hurt anything, but
the oil-change companies certainly appreciate it.

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Old 31 Jul 2004, 01:33 pm
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Default Re: do it every 4500k

I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
through testing.
You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.


Jason wrote:
> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
>>influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
>>since they add so many additives to oil now a days.

>
>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>


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