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Old 13 Oct 2009, 10:20 pm
Flatlander
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Default P0740 error code

My daughter's 2001 Civic LX had the Check Engine light come on. The
error code was P0740, which is apparently a torque converter clutch
malfunction. I assume that has something to do with the lockup
function. Honda service in Tampa said it would be a transmission
replacement but recommended she keep driving it until it quit - which
may be soon or forever.

I've seen posts in several forums saying to have the transmission
flushed but further posts that it really doesn't resolve the problem.
Any suggestions? If it's just that the lockup may or may not work, I
don't see that doing any damage for around-town driving. I'm inclined
to tell her to keep driving it until other problems develop.

The car is a 2001 Civic LX with 125k on it. She's put about 25k on
herself. Car is otherwise in good shape. Belt changed about 10k ago.
New tires, etc. So the car seems to be worth keeping.
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Old 14 Oct 2009, 04:15 pm
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Default Re: P0740 error code

Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
news:n9gad5hfk9sgmguk4b8q96243harhmv8fe@4ax.com:

> My daughter's 2001 Civic LX had the Check Engine light come on. The
> error code was P0740, which is apparently a torque converter clutch
> malfunction. I assume that has something to do with the lockup
> function. Honda service in Tampa said it would be a transmission
> replacement but recommended she keep driving it until it quit - which
> may be soon or forever.




According to TSB 01-049, it's the torque converter thats gone bad.
Apparently there's paper material on the torque converter piston, and it
deteriorates.


>
> I've seen posts in several forums saying to have the transmission
> flushed but further posts that it really doesn't resolve the problem.
> Any suggestions? If it's just that the lockup may or may not work, I
> don't see that doing any damage for around-town driving. I'm inclined
> to tell her to keep driving it until other problems develop.
>
> The car is a 2001 Civic LX with 125k on it. She's put about 25k on
> herself. Car is otherwise in good shape. Belt changed about 10k ago.
> New tires, etc. So the car seems to be worth keeping.
>



If you're out of warranty and the dealer isn't willing to try and get you a
"goodwill" warranty fix, then your best bet is to just drive it until it
breaks.

You may wish to go back to the dealer and try this: Mention TSB 01-049. Ask
them if there's any way they can ask Honda to work a deal where, for
instance, Honda picks up the parts and you pick up the labor.
It might work.


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Old 14 Oct 2009, 07:34 pm
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Default Re: P0740 error code

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:15:48 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>news:n9gad5hfk9sgmguk4b8q96243harhmv8fe@4ax.com :
>
>> My daughter's 2001 Civic LX had the Check Engine light come on. The
>> error code was P0740, which is apparently a torque converter clutch
>> malfunction. I assume that has something to do with the lockup
>> function. Honda service in Tampa said it would be a transmission
>> replacement but recommended she keep driving it until it quit - which
>> may be soon or forever.

>
>
>
>According to TSB 01-049, it's the torque converter thats gone bad.
>Apparently there's paper material on the torque converter piston, and it
>deteriorates.


I've been reading this apparently happens a lot in this model year.

>> I've seen posts in several forums saying to have the transmission
>> flushed but further posts that it really doesn't resolve the problem.
>> Any suggestions? If it's just that the lockup may or may not work, I
>> don't see that doing any damage for around-town driving. I'm inclined
>> to tell her to keep driving it until other problems develop.
>>
>> The car is a 2001 Civic LX with 125k on it. She's put about 25k on
>> herself. Car is otherwise in good shape. Belt changed about 10k ago.
>> New tires, etc. So the car seems to be worth keeping.
>>

>
>
>If you're out of warranty and the dealer isn't willing to try and get you a
>"goodwill" warranty fix, then your best bet is to just drive it until it
>breaks.
>
>You may wish to go back to the dealer and try this: Mention TSB 01-049. Ask
>them if there's any way they can ask Honda to work a deal where, for
>instance, Honda picks up the parts and you pick up the labor.
>It might work.


Thanks for the great information and good tips. I'm not sure whether
the daugher is up to pushing at the dealer. May take it there myself
when we're down there at Thanksgiving. Doing something like picking
up the labor would certainly be a reasonable cost repair!
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Old 14 Oct 2009, 08:01 pm
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Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
news:7crcd51o1f8n27k5u3mika24g1crc34s66@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:15:48 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>
>>Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>>news:n9gad5hfk9sgmguk4b8q96243harhmv8fe@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My daughter's 2001 Civic LX had the Check Engine light come on. The
>>> error code was P0740, which is apparently a torque converter clutch
>>> malfunction. I assume that has something to do with the lockup
>>> function. Honda service in Tampa said it would be a transmission
>>> replacement but recommended she keep driving it until it quit -
>>> which may be soon or forever.

>>
>>
>>
>>According to TSB 01-049, it's the torque converter thats gone bad.
>>Apparently there's paper material on the torque converter piston, and
>>it deteriorates.

>
> I've been reading this apparently happens a lot in this model year.




Well, yes. That's why there's a TSB. Honda does not issue TSB's for one-
off problems. TSB's are reserved for issues that are widespread and
common.




>>
>>You may wish to go back to the dealer and try this: Mention TSB
>>01-049. Ask them if there's any way they can ask Honda to work a deal
>>where, for instance, Honda picks up the parts and you pick up the
>>labor. It might work.

>
> Thanks for the great information and good tips. I'm not sure whether
> the daugher is up to pushing at the dealer. May take it there myself
> when we're down there at Thanksgiving. Doing something like picking
> up the labor would certainly be a reasonable cost repair!




Remember: Be polite and be reasonable. This is /critical/.

You will be trying to use your diplomatic prowess to convince the dealer
to negotiate with Honda on your behalf to repair a vehicle that is very
much out of warranty.

And remember that the dealer is NOT "Honda". Honda and the dealer are
totally separate companies, owned and run by different people, and
possessed of physically and legally separate stores of money.

If the dealer outright refuses to play ball, there may or may not be
issues between that dealer and Honda. Not all dealers have the same
reputation or relationship with Honda. At that point you may ask
(politely) to be put in contact directly with Honda's zone rep for your
region. You then explain the situation (and your willingness to
negotiate) to the zone rep.

What certainly helps in any case is if you've maintained a steady and
good relationship with your dealer. This makes them /much/ more likely
to go to bat for you with Honda.

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Old 14 Oct 2009, 08:24 pm
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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
news:Xns9CA4D5DB9C01Etegger@208.90.168.18...
> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
> news:7crcd51o1f8n27k5u3mika24g1crc34s66@4ax.com:
>>
>> Thanks for the great information and good tips. I'm not sure whether
>> the daugher is up to pushing at the dealer. May take it there myself
>> when we're down there at Thanksgiving. Doing something like picking
>> up the labor would certainly be a reasonable cost repair!

>
> Remember: Be polite and be reasonable. This is /critical/.
>
> You will be trying to use your diplomatic prowess to convince the dealer
> to negotiate with Honda on your behalf to repair a vehicle that is very
> much out of warranty.



And don't forget the "my young daughter with MANY years of car buying ahead
of her...".

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Old 14 Oct 2009, 09:22 pm
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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CA4D5DB9C01Etegger@208.90.168.18...
>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:7crcd51o1f8n27k5u3mika24g1crc34s66@4ax.com:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the great information and good tips. I'm not sure
>>> whether
>>> the daugher is up to pushing at the dealer. May take it there
>>> myself
>>> when we're down there at Thanksgiving. Doing something like
>>> picking
>>> up the labor would certainly be a reasonable cost repair!

>>
>> Remember: Be polite and be reasonable. This is /critical/.
>>
>> You will be trying to use your diplomatic prowess to convince the
>> dealer
>> to negotiate with Honda on your behalf to repair a vehicle that is
>> very
>> much out of warranty.

>
>
> And don't forget the "my young daughter with MANY years of car
> buying ahead of her...".


Unless her Civic lasts her a lifetime.......
>



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Old 14 Oct 2009, 10:20 pm
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:22:36 -0700, "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hb5ur7$vrn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9CA4D5DB9C01Etegger@208.90.168.18...
>>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:7crcd51o1f8n27k5u3mika24g1crc34s66@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the great information and good tips. I'm not sure
>>>> whether
>>>> the daugher is up to pushing at the dealer. May take it there
>>>> myself
>>>> when we're down there at Thanksgiving. Doing something like
>>>> picking
>>>> up the labor would certainly be a reasonable cost repair!
>>>
>>> Remember: Be polite and be reasonable. This is /critical/.
>>>
>>> You will be trying to use your diplomatic prowess to convince the
>>> dealer
>>> to negotiate with Honda on your behalf to repair a vehicle that is
>>> very
>>> much out of warranty.

>>
>>
>> And don't forget the "my young daughter with MANY years of car
>> buying ahead of her...".

>
>Unless her Civic lasts her a lifetime.......


Hah...it just might. We're still driving her '87 CRX that she had in
college. It's got 151k on it now. At the rate she's going, she'll
pass that up with the Civic in another year. We've had at least one
Honda in the fleet since the original '76 Accord. We've been an
all-Honda family for about 15 years now.

Thanks for the advice, Tegger. Yeah, no point in being adversarial
with the dealer. They're doing a favor and have nothing to lose in
the deal. I'm probably going to trade the 2001 Accord we have before
this kind of thing develops.
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Old 15 Oct 2009, 04:57 pm
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Default Re: P0740 error code

In article <7t4dd55alsgftnfu7mlobq47vkdde1arti@4ax.com>, flatlander47
@cox.net says...

> We've had at least one
> Honda in the fleet since the original '76 Accord. We've been an
> all-Honda family for about 15 years now.


If you wind up talking to a Honda rep (as opposed to the dealer), this
is definitely worth mentioning as well. Demonstrated brand loyalty over
a long period of time is a significant factor when there's a decision to
be made as to whether to approve or deny a request for a goodwill repair
on an out-of-warranty vehicle.

Dave

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Old 17 Oct 2009, 12:29 am
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"Flatlander" <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:22:36 -0700, "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:hb5ur7$vrn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9CA4D5DB9C01Etegger@208.90.168.18...
>>>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:7crcd51o1f8n27k5u3mika24g1crc34s66@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the great information and good tips. I'm not sure
>>>>> whether
>>>>> the daugher is up to pushing at the dealer. May take it there
>>>>> myself
>>>>> when we're down there at Thanksgiving. Doing something like
>>>>> picking
>>>>> up the labor would certainly be a reasonable cost repair!
>>>>
>>>> Remember: Be polite and be reasonable. This is /critical/.
>>>>
>>>> You will be trying to use your diplomatic prowess to convince the
>>>> dealer
>>>> to negotiate with Honda on your behalf to repair a vehicle that
>>>> is
>>>> very
>>>> much out of warranty.
>>>
>>>
>>> And don't forget the "my young daughter with MANY years of car
>>> buying ahead of her...".

>>
>>Unless her Civic lasts her a lifetime.......

>
> Hah...it just might. We're still driving her '87 CRX that she had
> in
> college. It's got 151k on it now. At the rate she's going, she'll
> pass that up with the Civic in another year. We've had at least one
> Honda in the fleet since the original '76 Accord. We've been an
> all-Honda family for about 15 years now.
>


All good talking points. I have owned Hondas without a lapse for the
past 26 years myself.

> Thanks for the advice, Tegger. Yeah, no point in being adversarial
> with the dealer. They're doing a favor and have nothing to lose in
> the deal. I'm probably going to trade the 2001 Accord we have
> before
> this kind of thing develops.



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