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Old 10 Jul 2004, 02:07 pm
Stud Muffin
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Default Airbags / Cellphones CR-V 2003

After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a cellphone"
and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the malfunction to
repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it complete
BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta / Santa
Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called (daughter and
I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where they
AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the phone in
the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!

The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something" and
asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now being
serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem (which
they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled something" on
the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the seat a
few weeks before.

So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR don't
let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem serious
defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.



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Old 10 Jul 2004, 03:09 pm
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Default Re: Airbags / Cellphones CR-V 2003

Stud Muffin wrote:
> After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
> staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a cellphone"
> and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the malfunction to
> repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it complete
> BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta / Santa
> Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called (daughter and
> I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where they
> AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the phone in
> the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!
>
> The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something" and
> asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now being
> serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem (which
> they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled something" on
> the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the seat a
> few weeks before.
>
> So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR don't
> let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem serious
> defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.



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answer, bring it back for all to share . . . .


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Old 10 Jul 2004, 08:24 pm
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Default Re: Airbags / Cellphones CR-V 2003 PS

PS - How many failed airbags does Honda need before a recall? How many
fires before they replace the vehicles?
"Honda Doc" <tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mOednbtjzdbnGW3dRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> Take this bulletin to your dealer.
>
>
> "Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:M7XHc.63146$XM6.7511@attbi_s53...
> > After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
> > staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a

> cellphone"
> > and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the malfunction

> to
> > repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it

> complete
> > BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta / Santa
> > Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called (daughter

> and
> > I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where

> they
> > AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the phone

> in
> > the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!
> >
> > The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something" and
> > asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now

> being
> > serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem

(which
> > they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled

something"
> on
> > the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the

seat
> a
> > few weeks before.
> >
> > So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR

don't
> > let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem serious
> > defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>



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Old 10 Jul 2004, 08:51 pm
Chip Stein
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Default Re: Airbags / Cellphones CR-V 2003

"motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _"@interbaun.com> wrote in message news:<40F04CDF.9050903@interbaun.com>...
> Stud Muffin wrote:
> > After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
> > staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a cellphone"
> > and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the malfunction to
> > repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it complete
> > BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta / Santa
> > Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called (daughter and
> > I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where they
> > AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the phone in
> > the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!
> >
> > The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something" and
> > asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now being
> > serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem (which
> > they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled something" on
> > the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the seat a
> > few weeks before.
> >
> > So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR don't
> > let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem serious
> > defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.





if the seat gets wet it will cause problems, cellphones are
notorious for causing interference, especially nextell phones.
if she spilled something then it's her problem not hondas!!!!!!!!
Chip
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Old 10 Jul 2004, 10:17 pm
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Default Re: Airbags / Cellphones CR-V 2003 PS

Now why in the hell would spilling something on the passenger have any
effect on the air bag? I'm not a mechanic so I don't know the answer. Is
there some sort of trigger for the air bag in the seat? It doesn't seem
logical. Bumper, yes, door maybe, seat....I don't think so.




"Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%E0Ic.54194$MB3.981@attbi_s04...
> PS - How many failed airbags does Honda need before a recall? How many
> fires before they replace the vehicles?
> "Honda Doc" <tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:mOednbtjzdbnGW3dRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > Take this bulletin to your dealer.
> >
> >
> > "Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:M7XHc.63146$XM6.7511@attbi_s53...
> > > After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
> > > staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a

> > cellphone"
> > > and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the

malfunction
> > to
> > > repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it

> > complete
> > > BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta /

Santa
> > > Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called

(daughter
> > and
> > > I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where

> > they
> > > AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the

phone
> > in
> > > the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!
> > >
> > > The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something"

and
> > > asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now

> > being
> > > serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem

> (which
> > > they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled

> something"
> > on
> > > the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the

> seat
> > a
> > > few weeks before.
> > >
> > > So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR

> don't
> > > let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem

serious
> > > defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >
> >

>
>



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Old 10 Jul 2004, 11:54 pm
Randolph
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Default Re: Airbags / Cellphones CR-V 2003 PS

Some cars have a sensor in the seat to detect if anyone is sitting
there. If the seat is empty, the air bag won't deploy. Perhaps that
sensor was damaged by the spilled liquid?

lkitesplit wrote:
>
> Now why in the hell would spilling something on the passenger have any
> effect on the air bag? I'm not a mechanic so I don't know the answer. Is
> there some sort of trigger for the air bag in the seat? It doesn't seem
> logical. Bumper, yes, door maybe, seat....I don't think so.
>
> "Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%E0Ic.54194$MB3.981@attbi_s04...
> > PS - How many failed airbags does Honda need before a recall? How many
> > fires before they replace the vehicles?
> > "Honda Doc" <tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:mOednbtjzdbnGW3dRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > > Take this bulletin to your dealer.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:M7XHc.63146$XM6.7511@attbi_s53...
> > > > After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
> > > > staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a
> > > cellphone"
> > > > and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the

> malfunction
> > > to
> > > > repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it
> > > complete
> > > > BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta /

> Santa
> > > > Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called

> (daughter
> > > and
> > > > I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where
> > > they
> > > > AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the

> phone
> > > in
> > > > the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!
> > > >
> > > > The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something"

> and
> > > > asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now
> > > being
> > > > serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem

> > (which
> > > > they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled

> > something"
> > > on
> > > > the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the

> > seat
> > > a
> > > > few weeks before.
> > > >
> > > > So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR

> > don't
> > > > let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem

> serious
> > > > defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

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Old 11 Jul 2004, 12:57 am
Tony Hwang
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lkitesplit wrote:

> Now why in the hell would spilling something on the passenger have any
> effect on the air bag? I'm not a mechanic so I don't know the answer. Is
> there some sort of trigger for the air bag in the seat? It doesn't seem
> logical. Bumper, yes, door maybe, seat....I don't think so.
>
>
>
>
> "Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%E0Ic.54194$MB3.981@attbi_s04...
>
>>PS - How many failed airbags does Honda need before a recall? How many
>>fires before they replace the vehicles?
>>"Honda Doc" <tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:mOednbtjzdbnGW3dRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Take this bulletin to your dealer.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:M7XHc.63146$XM6.7511@attbi_s53...
>>>
>>>>After the 3rd service for my daughter's 2003 CR-V for the airbag light
>>>>staying illuminated, the dealer told her it is because "she has a
>>>
>>>cellphone"
>>>
>>>>and that using the cellphone in the front seat may cause the

>
> malfunction
>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>repeat. Incredulous, she called me and asked if I didn't think it
>>>
>>>complete
>>>
>>>>BULLSHIT. I did. So the Service Manger (Vicki - Honda, Goleta /

>
> Santa
>
>>>>Barbara California) called me and CONFIRMED this. We called

>
> (daughter
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>I via conference call) Customer Relations in Torrence California where
>>>
>>>they
>>>
>>>>AGAIN CONFIRMED this problem The Rep told my daughter to use the

>
> phone
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>the back seat and not place it in the front of the car!
>>>>
>>>>The dealer / Vicki / called and said they wanted to "try something"

>
> and
>
>>>>asked for the car again, and that they had "ordered a part." ---- Now
>>>
>>>being
>>>
>>>>serviced for the 4th time in the year, they now claimed the problem

>>
>>(which
>>
>>>>they failed to diagnose week before) was that she had "spilled

>>
>>something"
>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>>the passenger seat. Well, in fact, she HAD spilled something on the

>>
>>seat
>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>few weeks before.
>>>>
>>>>So what to believe? Cellphones deactivate airbag systems AND / OR

>>
>>don't
>>
>>>>let the passenger seat get wet? EITHER one of these would seem

>
> serious
>
>>>>defects warranting recall or warning to consumers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>

>
>

Hi,
The air bag sensor. If there is nobody on the passenger seat,
it disables air bag on that side.
I think most cars do this.
Tony

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Old 11 Jul 2004, 09:48 am
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Apparently there are sensors in the seats... not to explode if empty... not
to hit a child?.... but I do think it foreseeable that seats get wet. Did
anyone ever leave their window open (or sunroof) and a sudden rainstorm
occurred? I guess that doesn't happen in Japan. Between the airbags,
fires, and other recalls, (brakes, transmission cables)... GM is lookin'
good.


"lkitesplit" <lkitesplit1023@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Now why in the hell would spilling something on the passenger have any
> effect on the air bag? I'm not a mechanic so I don't know the answer. Is
> there some sort of trigger for the air bag in the seat? It doesn't seem
> logical. Bumper, yes, door maybe, seat....I don't think so.
>




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Old 11 Jul 2004, 01:48 pm
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"Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>GM is lookin' good.


As long as you have a tow truck on retainer, go for it! ;^)

--
Brian

Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.


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Old 11 Jul 2004, 03:02 pm
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"Stud Muffin" <hplaw@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0rcIc.52185$JR4.34758@attbi_s54>...
> Apparently there are sensors in the seats... not to explode if empty... not
> to hit a child?.... but I do think it foreseeable that seats get wet. Did
> anyone ever leave their window open (or sunroof) and a sudden rainstorm
> occurred? I guess that doesn't happen in Japan. Between the airbags,
> fires, and other recalls, (brakes, transmission cables)... GM is lookin'
> good.
>
>


yes there are sensors in the seats. The OPDS system determins if a
passenger is tall enough and or weighs enough for the side air bag to
deploy, of course they could do away with this and have the side
airbag rip the head off of your passenger if that's more to your
liking.
personall i think airbags should be an option. the government is
the only reason the issues come up at all.
further, if someone spilled something on the seat and caused the
problem it should cost you dearly to fix it, it's not hondas fault the
daughter can't keep from spilling things!!!!
Chip
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