Honda Car Forum

Hi.
Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
same amount.
ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
magic I have to do to flush.
I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
side I can get all 7.2 qt.

All kind of responses will be appreciated.

Regards,
vj

varkiliy_jar wrote:
> Hi.
> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
> same amount.
> ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
> The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
> magic I have to do to flush.
> I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
> side I can get all 7.2 qt.
>
> All kind of responses will be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> vj
================

Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.

'Curly'

motsco_ _ wrote:
>
> varkiliy_jar wrote:
> > Hi.
> > Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
> > same amount.
> > ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
> > The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
> > magic I have to do to flush.
> > I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
> > side I can get all 7.2 qt.
> >
> > All kind of responses will be appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > vj
> ================
>
> Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
> sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
> Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
>
> 'Curly'



I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...



--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

On 7 Jul 2004 20:04:44 -0700, vteslikov@hotmail.com (varkiliy_jar)
wrote:

>Hi.
>Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
>same amount.
>ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
>The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
>magic I have to do to flush.
>I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
>side I can get all 7.2 qt.
>
>All kind of responses will be appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>vj

I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that
flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses
about the same amount of ATF as yours.

I took about 12 qt with me to the shop (Honda's OEM ATF). The
technician filled the machine up with the new ATF and the machine then
was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old
and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF.

On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:

>
>
> motsco_ _ wrote:
>>
>> varkiliy_jar wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
>>> same amount.
>>> ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
>>> The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
>>> magic I have to do to flush.
>>> I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
>>> side I can get all 7.2 qt.
>>>
>>> All kind of responses will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> vj
>> ================
>>
>> Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
>> sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
>> Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
>
>
> I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
> the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
> bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...
>
>

Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is
no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace.

"E. Meyer" wrote:
>
> On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > motsco_ _ wrote:
> >>
> >> varkiliy_jar wrote:
> >>> Hi.
> >>> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
> >>> same amount.
> >>> ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
> >>> The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
> >>> magic I have to do to flush.
> >>> I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
> >>> side I can get all 7.2 qt.
> >>>
> >>> All kind of responses will be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> vj
> >> ================
> >>
> >> Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
> >> sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
> >> Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
> >>
> >> 'Curly'
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
> > the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
> > bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...
> >
> >
>
> Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is
> no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace.



I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this
lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures?


--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

On 7/8/04 6:03 PM, in article 40EDD347.5BAC498C@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:

>
>
> "E. Meyer" wrote:
>>
>> On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
>> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> motsco_ _ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> varkiliy_jar wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
>>>>> same amount.
>>>>> ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
>>>>> The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
>>>>> magic I have to do to flush.
>>>>> I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
>>>>> side I can get all 7.2 qt.
>>>>>
>>>>> All kind of responses will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> vj
>>>> ================
>>>>
>>>> Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
>>>> sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
>>>> Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
>>>>
>>>> 'Curly'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
>>> the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
>>> bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is
>> no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace.
>
>
>
> I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this
> lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures?
>

Possibly. One of the failure modes that has caused warranty
extensions/recalls involves clutches disintegrating and clogging the little
(inaccessible) screens they have in the fluid passages. This then causing
exciting behavior like slamming into 2nd gear without warning at 80 mph. I
suspect there would be less chance of that happening if there was a filter
in the pan (if it had a pan...). It would still disintegrate, but the
failure mode probably wouldn't be as exciting.

It does make for easy fluid changes though.

"E. Meyer" wrote:
>
> On 7/8/04 6:03 PM, in article 40EDD347.5BAC498C@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "E. Meyer" wrote:
> >>
> >> On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
> >> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> motsco_ _ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> varkiliy_jar wrote:
> >>>>> Hi.
> >>>>> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
> >>>>> same amount.
> >>>>> ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
> >>>>> The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
> >>>>> magic I have to do to flush.
> >>>>> I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
> >>>>> side I can get all 7.2 qt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All kind of responses will be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> vj
> >>>> ================
> >>>>
> >>>> Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
> >>>> sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
> >>>> Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
> >>>>
> >>>> 'Curly'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
> >>> the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
> >>> bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is
> >> no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this
> > lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures?
> >
>
> Possibly. One of the failure modes that has caused warranty
> extensions/recalls involves clutches disintegrating and clogging the little
> (inaccessible) screens they have in the fluid passages. This then causing
> exciting behavior like slamming into 2nd gear without warning at 80 mph. I
> suspect there would be less chance of that happening if there was a filter
> in the pan (if it had a pan...). It would still disintegrate, but the
> failure mode probably wouldn't be as exciting.
>
> It does make for easy fluid changes though.



I guess, religious changing of the fluid is in order...

<G>



--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

> I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that
> flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses
> about the same amount of ATF as yours.
>
> I took about 12 qt with me to the shop (Honda's OEM ATF). The
> technician filled the machine up with the new ATF and the machine then
> was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old
> and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF.

honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns
flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design,
there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs.
i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck.
Chip

Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>
> "E. Meyer" wrote:
>
>>On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au
>>Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>motsco_ _ wrote:
>>>
>>>>varkiliy_jar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the
>>>>>same amount.
>>>>>ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt.
>>>>>The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of
>>>>>magic I have to do to flush.
>>>>>I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which
>>>>>side I can get all 7.2 qt.
>>>>>
>>>>>All kind of responses will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>vj
>>>>
>>>>================
>>>>
>>>>Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make
>>>>sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug.
>>>>Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF.
>>>>
>>>>'Curly'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing
>>>the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a
>>>bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is
>>no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace.
>
>
>
>
> I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this
> lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures?

"high rate" of failure??? my friends have over 360k on an 88 accord
automatic. original transmission. i had a civic with 180k before i
sold it. i wouldn't call those unreliable transmissions.