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Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
and the Vega
is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
times. I feel I should
put in a good word for the little car.

My sister got a new Vega in early 1973 (a stripped-down one at that,
about as basic
as was available). I then inherited it in late '74 and drove it
merrily for another full
year. That little car was never ONE ounce of trouble. It cruised at
75 mph like
a charm, never burped or coughed, and I actually don't know that the
oil was
ever changed!!!! Maybe the car was serviced when my sister had it,
but I know
it wasn't during the time I had it (young and car stupid I guess).
When
I traded it in for my dream car at the time (the dreamy '75 Toyota
Celica GT),
it had about 42k miles on it and still performed like a trooper.
Maybe it
was a rare gem off the assembly line I don't know, but I had three
friends
who also had Vegas and I don't remember any of them being lemons; one
did have notoriously squeally brakes though IIRC.

On Sep 30, 12:46*pm, Otis <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
> and the Vega
> is always at or near the top of the list. *I've seen it a hundred
> times. * I feel I should
> put in a good word for the little car.
>
> My sister got a new Vega in early 1973 (a stripped-down one at that,
> about as basic
> as was available). *I then inherited it in late '74 and drove it
> merrily for another full
> year. * That little car was never ONE ounce of trouble. *It cruised at
> 75 mph like
> a charm, never burped or coughed, and I actually don't know that the
> oil was
> ever changed!!!! *Maybe the car was serviced when my sister had it,
> but I know
> it wasn't during the time I had it (young and car stupid I guess).
> When
> I traded it in for my dream car at the time (the dreamy '75 Toyota
> Celica GT),
> it had about 42k miles on it and still performed like a trooper.
> Maybe it
> was a rare gem off the assembly line I don't know, but I had three
> friends
> who also had Vegas and I don't remember any of them being lemons; one
> did have notoriously squeally brakes though IIRC.

I never had a Vega, but I've owned several Corvair which is also on
that list. I drove one everyday for 6 years until 2003 when I sold it.
A very good car.

Otis wrote:
> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
> and the Vega
> is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
> times. I feel I should
> put in a good word for the little car.
>
> My sister got a new Vega in early 1973 (a stripped-down one at that,
> about as basic
> as was available). I then inherited it in late '74 and drove it
> merrily for another full
> year. That little car was never ONE ounce of trouble. It cruised at
> 75 mph like
> a charm, never burped or coughed, and I actually don't know that the
> oil was
> ever changed!!!! Maybe the car was serviced when my sister had it,
> but I know
> it wasn't during the time I had it (young and car stupid I guess).
> When
> I traded it in for my dream car at the time (the dreamy '75 Toyota
> Celica GT),
> it had about 42k miles on it and still performed like a trooper.
> Maybe it
> was a rare gem off the assembly line I don't know, but I had three
> friends
> who also had Vegas and I don't remember any of them being lemons; one
> did have notoriously squeally brakes though IIRC.
>

A bit of trivia: the Vega was based on the Fiat 124 Sports Coupe. GM
bought a few examples to take apart and tried to copy it's design. I
think they succeeded all too well. As far as the 124 Sports Coupe goes,
I owned 3 of those and loved those things.

"Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1f20ce7d-cd39-4208-920c-08032814acbb@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
> and the Vega
> is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
> times. I feel I should
> put in a good word for the little car.


That is, I believe, the car with the silicon/aluminum alloy engine...That
thing
went out for most people very quickly.

Now, believe it or not, I have seen Yugos still on the road. Even the worst
automaker allows a good one to slip out occasionally.

hls wrote:
>
> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1f20ce7d-cd39-4208-920c-08032814acbb@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
>> and the Vega
>> is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
>> times. I feel I should
>> put in a good word for the little car.
>
>
> That is, I believe, the car with the silicon/aluminum alloy
> engine...That thing
> went out for most people very quickly.
>
> Now, believe it or not, I have seen Yugos still on the road. Even the
> worst
> automaker allows a good one to slip out occasionally.

Yugo = Fiat 128

"dsi1" <dsi1@spamnet.com> wrote in message
news:jtNwm.221416$cf6.208145@newsfe16.iad...
> hls wrote:
>>
>> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1f20ce7d-cd39-4208-920c-08032814acbb@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
>>> and the Vega
>>> is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
>>> times. I feel I should
>>> put in a good word for the little car.
>>
>>
>> That is, I believe, the car with the silicon/aluminum alloy engine...That
>> thing
>> went out for most people very quickly.
>>
>> Now, believe it or not, I have seen Yugos still on the road. Even the
>> worst
>> automaker allows a good one to slip out occasionally.
>
> Yugo = Fiat 128

Maybe the equality is not quite right, but similar.
Fiat also put Russia into the car business, IIRC.

We have owned three Fiats...a 131 Mirafiore, a 128, and another I cant
remember. The engines were okay, but the bodies tended to rust out
very badly on some of them.

hls wrote:
>
> "dsi1" <dsi1@spamnet.com> wrote in message
> news:jtNwm.221416$cf6.208145@newsfe16.iad...
>> hls wrote:
>>>
>>> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1f20ce7d-cd39-4208-920c-08032814acbb@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
>>>> and the Vega
>>>> is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
>>>> times. I feel I should
>>>> put in a good word for the little car.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is, I believe, the car with the silicon/aluminum alloy
>>> engine...That thing
>>> went out for most people very quickly.
>>>
>>> Now, believe it or not, I have seen Yugos still on the road. Even
>>> the worst
>>> automaker allows a good one to slip out occasionally.
>>
>> Yugo = Fiat 128
>
> Maybe the equality is not quite right, but similar.
> Fiat also put Russia into the car business, IIRC.

My guess is that they were pretty similar. I was thinking at the time
that it might be possible to bolt-on a Yugo engine and maybe the entire
drivetrain of a Yugo into a Fiat X1/9 although I've not heard of anybody
doing this.

>
> We have owned three Fiats...a 131 Mirafiore, a 128, and another I cant
> remember. The engines were okay, but the bodies tended to rust out
> very badly on some of them.

The engine on the 124 sports models were fine. It was the first
belt-driven double overhead cam design engine used in a mass production
car. Rust was a big problem in the states. I'm guessing that it doesn't
rain or snow in Italy and Europe. :-)

hls wrote:
>
> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1f20ce7d-cd39-4208-920c-08032814acbb@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> Over the years, the inevitable subject of worst cars ever comes up,
>> and the Vega
>> is always at or near the top of the list. I've seen it a hundred
>> times. I feel I should
>> put in a good word for the little car.
>
>
> That is, I believe, the car with the silicon/aluminum alloy
> engine...That thing
> went out for most people very quickly.
>
> Now, believe it or not, I have seen Yugos still on the road. Even the
> worst
> automaker allows a good one to slip out occasionally.

Well, seeing as a Yugo is basically a reheated FIAT, they theoretically
can be made more reliable by replacing all the broken mechanical bits
with FIAT bits.

Now whether they figured out rustproofing or not, I don't know - I
haven't seen a Yugo in years. I don't remember seeing one old enough to
have rust on it.

It's a shame that FIAT didn't fine tune their cars a little better. I
remember a neighbor having one as a little kid and it was a neat little
car and darn near indestructable - I think he eventually passed it on to
his daughter when she went to college (a few years older than I.) Owner
was a car guy though, so undoubtedly salt wasn't allowed to linger on
the body, explaining its unusual longevity.

nate

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Nate Nagel <njnagel@roosters.net> wrote:
>
>Well, seeing as a Yugo is basically a reheated FIAT, they theoretically
>can be made more reliable by replacing all the broken mechanical bits
>with FIAT bits.

Wait... wait.... say that again...
you replace parts _with_ Fiat parts and it becomes more reliable.

This implies that the original parts are actually _less_ reliable than
Fiat parts. Is such a thing actually possible?

>Now whether they figured out rustproofing or not, I don't know - I
>haven't seen a Yugo in years. I don't remember seeing one old enough to
>have rust on it.

I see one every once in a while on Rt. 64. It's tiny and yellow, and has
a huge man with a walrus moustache driving it.

>It's a shame that FIAT didn't fine tune their cars a little better. I
>remember a neighbor having one as a little kid and it was a neat little
>car and darn near indestructable - I think he eventually passed it on to
>his daughter when she went to college (a few years older than I.) Owner
>was a car guy though, so undoubtedly salt wasn't allowed to linger on
>the body, explaining its unusual longevity.

Okay.... I have to understand this. You're saying somehow that someone
has made a car which is _less reliable than a Fiat_?
--scott


--
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"dsi1" <dsi1@humuhumunukunukuapuapa.org> wrote in message
>
> The engine on the 124 sports models were fine. It was the first
> belt-driven double overhead cam design engine used in a mass production
> car. Rust was a big problem in the states. I'm guessing that it doesn't
> rain or snow in Italy and Europe. :-)

Somewhat wrong. Rust was a problem with all Fiats made in Italia.

Fiat is a bit of a joke, even in Europe. I lived there for many many years.