Honda Car Forum

#21 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 03:25 pm

>
> Who gives a **** about your Accord RICEMOBILE? This is a ****ING Toyota
> newsgroup. Get the **** out.

Did the next to the last man on earth die and leave you his position of
authority?

#22 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 04:05 pm

Sharx35 wrote:
>
> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:46e0adf3-8842-4fee-8280-b338ff4c231d@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> General questions which is why I included five NG's.
>>
>> I've actually had the car for almost a year (bought 9-25-08).
>>
>> The car had a mild steering wheel shimmy at 60-70 mph that
>> I noticed driving it home from the dealership the day I bought it.
>> The car had not been sitting on the lot long ( a week or so, being
>> recently delivered), so I doubt there were flat spots on the tires.
>> I decided to let it go and forget about it. Still, you don't expect
>> this with a brand new car with six miles on it and equipped with
>> Michelins. The shimmy pretty much stayed, but as I said,
>> it is mild. I rotated the tires at about 6500 miles a couple of
>> months ago, which is when the little Honda Maintenance Minder
>> told me to (cross to front as the manual said).
>>
>> Since then, I've noticed that, along with the usual shimmy, it gets
>> a good deal worse when I press the brake at highway speeds.
>> I doubt very seriously that the rotors are warped, but that the wheels
>> were somehow not completely balanced at the factory. And maybe
>> crossing the tires at rotation made the effect worse. That's my
>> guess.
>> I took the car out to the dlership today, explained, and the guy
>> wanted
>> to check the brakes (he said three hours for some reason) and possibly
>> *turn* the rotors. Why? I've never had rotors turned in my life;
>> if they
>> got too grooved I'd just replace them. Considering the time, and his
>> talking about turning rotors, I decided to hold off for now. Do you
>> think
>> I should take the car in and have them at least check the balance
>> on the wheels (free till the 1 year anniversary of purchase)? I could
>> just see those guys working on the car, and driving off with it
>> *worse*
>> than before. I've had this happen occasionally over the years.
>>
>> And a-n-o-t-h-e-r thing.....
>>
>> I was recently talking casually to a guy who runs a body shop. We
>> were near my Accord and he immediately mentioned that the gap
>> between the hood and fender on the left was not the same as the
>> corresponding gap on the right side of the hood. And sure enough,
>> it wasn't, and very noticeable even though I never noticed. He said
>> that was very unusual for Honda and even asked me if the car had
>> been wrecked. Pic link below. There is sunlight reflection a
>> little
>> on the left gap, but you should still be able to see it. The gap on
>> left is noticeably bigger than the one on the right. The hood
>> opens and closes nicely and everything seems tight and right,
>> but it does look kind of bad. What do you guys think? Should
>> I complain to Honda about it? Thanks a lot.
>>
>> http://s603.photobucket.com/albums/t...t=GEDC0178.jpg
>>
>
> Who gives a **** about your Accord RICEMOBILE? This is a ****ING Toyota
> newsgroup. Get the **** out.

One ricemobile owner dissing another ricemobile of a different flavor.
That right there is FUNNY.

#23 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 05:36 pm

"hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
news:AbSdnfXKY7BVcS7XnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
>
>>
>> Who gives a **** about your Accord RICEMOBILE? This is a ****ING Toyota
>> newsgroup. Get the **** out.
>
> Did the next to the last man on earth die and leave you his position of
> authority?

Indeed, yes. The rest of you are pansy, Honda-driving faggots.

#24 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 05:36 pm

"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
news

8OdnUbeqeeYay7XnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@texas.net...
> Sharx35 wrote:
>>
>> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:46e0adf3-8842-4fee-8280-b338ff4c231d@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>> General questions which is why I included five NG's.
>>>
>>> I've actually had the car for almost a year (bought 9-25-08).
>>>
>>> The car had a mild steering wheel shimmy at 60-70 mph that
>>> I noticed driving it home from the dealership the day I bought it.
>>> The car had not been sitting on the lot long ( a week or so, being
>>> recently delivered), so I doubt there were flat spots on the tires.
>>> I decided to let it go and forget about it. Still, you don't expect
>>> this with a brand new car with six miles on it and equipped with
>>> Michelins. The shimmy pretty much stayed, but as I said,
>>> it is mild. I rotated the tires at about 6500 miles a couple of
>>> months ago, which is when the little Honda Maintenance Minder
>>> told me to (cross to front as the manual said).
>>>
>>> Since then, I've noticed that, along with the usual shimmy, it gets
>>> a good deal worse when I press the brake at highway speeds.
>>> I doubt very seriously that the rotors are warped, but that the wheels
>>> were somehow not completely balanced at the factory. And maybe
>>> crossing the tires at rotation made the effect worse. That's my
>>> guess.
>>> I took the car out to the dlership today, explained, and the guy
>>> wanted
>>> to check the brakes (he said three hours for some reason) and possibly
>>> *turn* the rotors. Why? I've never had rotors turned in my life;
>>> if they
>>> got too grooved I'd just replace them. Considering the time, and his
>>> talking about turning rotors, I decided to hold off for now. Do you
>>> think
>>> I should take the car in and have them at least check the balance
>>> on the wheels (free till the 1 year anniversary of purchase)? I could
>>> just see those guys working on the car, and driving off with it
>>> *worse*
>>> than before. I've had this happen occasionally over the years.
>>>
>>> And a-n-o-t-h-e-r thing.....
>>>
>>> I was recently talking casually to a guy who runs a body shop. We
>>> were near my Accord and he immediately mentioned that the gap
>>> between the hood and fender on the left was not the same as the
>>> corresponding gap on the right side of the hood. And sure enough,
>>> it wasn't, and very noticeable even though I never noticed. He said
>>> that was very unusual for Honda and even asked me if the car had
>>> been wrecked. Pic link below. There is sunlight reflection a
>>> little
>>> on the left gap, but you should still be able to see it. The gap on
>>> left is noticeably bigger than the one on the right. The hood
>>> opens and closes nicely and everything seems tight and right,
>>> but it does look kind of bad. What do you guys think? Should
>>> I complain to Honda about it? Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> http://s603.photobucket.com/albums/t...t=GEDC0178.jpg
>>
>> Who gives a **** about your Accord RICEMOBILE? This is a ****ING Toyota
>> newsgroup. Get the **** out.
>
> One ricemobile owner dissing another ricemobile of a different flavor.
> That right there is FUNNY.
>

In these parts, Hondas are the favorite vehicles of Asian gang members.

#25 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 08:04 pm

In article <KIRsm.45601$PH1.17099@edtnps82>,
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Who gives a **** about your Accord RICEMOBILE? This is a ****ING Toyota
> newsgroup.

Ah. Toyota ricemobiles only.

Gotcha.

#26 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 08:04 pm

In article <xXTsm.44417$Db2.1666@edtnps83>,
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
> news:AbSdnfXKY7BVcS7XnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Who gives a **** about your Accord RICEMOBILE? This is a ****ING Toyota
> >> newsgroup. Get the **** out.
> >
> > Did the next to the last man on earth die and leave you his position of
> > authority?
>
> Indeed, yes. The rest of you are pansy, Honda-driving faggots.

....says the ricemobile driver Sharx.

#27 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 08:35 pm

In article <ziCsm.180519$O23.92550@newsfe11.iad>,
dsi1 <dsi1@humuhumunukunukuapuapa.org> wrote:
>How could it be a wrecked Honda? You got it new. If you're worried about
>this, the body-fender guy should be able to tell if it's been in a
>accident pretty easily. Nice looking car though...

New cars sometimes get damaged and sent to local auto body repair shops
for repair.

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#28 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 09:08 pm

Timothy J. Lee wrote:
> In article <ziCsm.180519$O23.92550@newsfe11.iad>,
> dsi1 <dsi1@humuhumunukunukuapuapa.org> wrote:
>> How could it be a wrecked Honda? You got it new. If you're worried about
>> this, the body-fender guy should be able to tell if it's been in a
>> accident pretty easily. Nice looking car though...
>
> New cars sometimes get damaged and sent to local auto body repair shops
> for repair.
>

That's a bummer! I guess that would be a dirty little secret of the
automobile industry.

#29 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 10:04 pm

On 09/18/2009 11:23 AM, Steve wrote:
> Observer wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah but when you replace tires, a lot of shops use air tools. I
>> don't recall any checking the tires with a torque wrench. I do agree
>> with another poster that many shops over torque.
>
> Standard practice these days is to snug the bolts with an air wrench and
> a torque-limit stick, then do the final torque-down with a torque wrench.
>
> Actually most shops have been doing that for 10+ years now. Time flies.
>
>
> With my own cars in my own garage, I just use my air wrench because I
> have a very good feel for the correct torque with that wrench at the air
> line pressure setting I run. Every so often I check myself with a torque
> wrench and I'm never off by more than a couple of ft-lb. But you can't
> do that in a shop where you grab a different air wrench every time or
> you change a tire. Also most of my cars are old enough to be rear-drives
> with integral hub-rotor assemblies instead of "top hat" rotors that
> slide over the wheel studs like FWD cars. They are far less sensitive to
> over-torquing because the hub/rotor assembly is so much beefier and
> doesn't have an alignment issue if you torque one stud/nut down too hard
> before the other side gets torqued.

indeed - one of the reasons the heavier more powerful accord didn't
transition to that style of disk for years after the civic did.

#30 (**permalink**) 18 Sep 2009, 10:08 pm

On 09/18/2009 01:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> On 09/18/2009 01:38 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> it's extremely rare for honda rotors to actually warp. it is however
>>>> extremely common for surface rust and incorrect torque procedure to
>>>> create symptoms /like/ warping.
>>>>
>>>> solution: clean the disk and wheel interface of rust. apply a little
>>>> antiseize. re-bolt the wheel with a two or more stage torque process,
>>>> using a torque wrench.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Honda so I defer to your expertise - all the cars
>>> I've owned had the standard warping rotors.
>>
>> it's probably for the reasons i said. try the scrape, anti-seize and
>> torque wrench solution.
>>
>>
>>> OTOH, I've never had a car
>>> that was sensitive to rust on the wheel hubs.
>>
>> the two are connected. seriously, it's very unusual for the brake disk
>> iron to actually warp.
>>
>
> That brake rotors don't warp is an interesting idea that I've not heard
> before. What happens to me is that heavy braking, such as when slowing
> down at the bottom of a hill, will tend to cause an oscillating feedback
> at the steering wheel.

classic symptoms. google the honda groups for past discussion and my
experience before and after wheel shop work.

>
> Hopefully, you're right and I've been seriously misinformed, after all,
> it's cheaper to wire-brush wheel hubs than to machine them. Will try
> this - thanks!

use a flat scraper. don't forget the inside of the wheels and the
antiseize. and don't use too much, just a little to color the surface
where the disk and wheel touch only.

>
>>
>>> Does this happen mostly
>>> with steel wheels or alloy wheels?
>>
>> it's more noticeable with steel..
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Those grease monkeys sure do like to over-torque those wheel nuts!
>>

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