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jim beam wrote:
> a wrote:
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> a <a@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote in
>>> news:U8tqm.43551$Db2.38932@edtnps83:
>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:9bc0f253-6f77-
>>>>> 43c1-add5-fa665ffbcba8@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>> I have had rumors of 2008s having premature wear on rear brakes.
>>>>>> Does the 2009 have any signs of this too?
>>>>>
>>>>> They're rumors only. There are no special problems with that model's
>>>>> rear brakes. Don't worry about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> On a related note, Tegger, do you know of a good brand/supplier
>>>> (Canadian if possible) for upgraded disks/pads/callipers for Hondas?
>>>> My 02 Accord is nearing some brake work and I want to investigate
>>>> options...
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have yet to encounter any aftermarket brake pads or rotors that
>>> equal OEM in quality. All the aftermarket I've tried have ended up
>>> with some sort of problem that made them inferior to OEM (noise,
>>> rust, blued rotors, poor fit, etc.).
>>>
>>> However, I have never tried aftermarket parts that cost MORE than
>>> OEM. Those might be better than other aftermarket.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks! I was thinking of something like an upgrade from OEM, less fade,
>> more gription - not a cost saving exercise.
>
> you might be disappointed, depending on your real objective. some
> aftermarket pads are terrible for fade. and i mean almost /fatally/
> bad. ones with grip and limited fade often chew disks. it's a
> compromise. and the best guarantee of a workable overall compromise,
> off the track, in my usage experience, is honda oem.
>
>
>> The only name in brakes I know
>> is "Brembo".
>
> then you need to look around some more! brembo are great at marketing -
> but there's nothing especially outstanding that differentiates them
> mechanically.

OK, will do - I don't mind more wear for higher performance - in fact, I
expect it.

q

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:24:41 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in news:9bc0f253-6f77-
>43c1-add5-fa665ffbcba8@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I have had rumors of 2008s having premature wear on rear brakes. Does
>> the 2009 have any signs of this too?
>
>
>
>They're rumors only. There are no special problems with that model's rear
>brakes. Don't worry about it.


Strongly disagree. Many other car sites ie: edmunds.com have a lot of
owners complaining about their brakes. OP is correct in asking.

On Sep 11, 4:29*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> a <a...@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote innews:U8tqm.43551$Db2.38932@edtnps83:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tegger wrote:
> >> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in
> >> news:9bc0f253-6f77-
> >> 43c1-add5-fa665ffbc...@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> I have had rumors of 2008s having premature wear on rearbrakes.
> >>> Does the 2009 have any signs of this too?
>
> >> They're rumors only. There are no special problems with that model's
> >> rearbrakes. Don't worry about it.
>
> > On a related note, Tegger, do you know of a good brand/supplier
> > (Canadian if possible) for upgraded disks/pads/callipers for Hondas?
> > My 02Accordis nearing some brake work and I want to investigate
> > options...
>
> > a
>
> I have yet to encounter any aftermarket brake pads or rotors that equal OEM
> in quality. All the aftermarket I've tried have ended up with some sort of
> problem that made them inferior to OEM (noise, rust, blued rotors, poor
> fit, etc.).
>
> However, I have never tried aftermarket parts that cost MORE than OEM.

Update - I recently had my first scheduled oil change. I had the
brakes looked at along with the other stuff on the multi-point check.
They were all measured. Front and rear each had about 1mm worth of
wear from their original specs, evenly balanced, after a little over
10,000 miles. I believe the fronts are a few millimeters thicker. The
guy said they ought to last to 60,000 and that my pattern of braking
and driving is normal with even wear.

He said some wear early beacuse of higher speed driving and braking.
(75 MPH or so) and said the brakes would wear evenly regardless, but
more with higher speed and slam braking.

Thank you for the responses. I just wanted to check because I heard
this going around.

David

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"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in
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> On Sep 11, 4:29*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:

>
> Update - I recently had my first scheduled oil change. I had the
> brakes looked at along with the other stuff on the multi-point check.
> They were all measured. Front and rear each had about 1mm worth of
> wear from their original specs, evenly balanced, after a little over
> 10,000 miles. I believe the fronts are a few millimeters thicker. The
> guy said they ought to last to 60,000 and that my pattern of braking
> and driving is normal with even wear.
>
> He said some wear early beacuse of higher speed driving and braking.
> (75 MPH or so) and said the brakes would wear evenly regardless, but
> more with higher speed and slam braking.



It's true the brakes will wear evenly on each axle set, but only if the
pads/pins/pistons remain free to move properly. That's why at least annual
brake services are highly recommended (twice-annual in the Northeast).



>
> Thank you for the responses. I just wanted to check because I heard
> this going around.



Ah, so you're not a troll. Thanks for the update.



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On Sep 28, 8:40*am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> "DavidE.Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote innews:4553ab69-6141-4a67-8034-76683b1afa61@v2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Sep 11, 4:29*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
> > Update - I recently had my first scheduled oil change. I had the
> > brakes looked at along with the other stuff on the multi-point check.
> > They were all measured. Front and rear each had about 1mm worth of
> > wear from their original specs, evenly balanced, after a little over
> > 10,000 miles. I believe the fronts are a few millimeters thicker. The
> > guy said they ought to last to 60,000 and that my pattern of braking
> > and driving is normal with even wear.
>
> > He said some wear early beacuse of higher speed driving and braking.
> > (75 MPH or so) and said the brakes would wear evenly regardless, but
> > more with higher speed and slam braking.
>
> It's true the brakes will wear evenly on each axle set, but only if the
> pads/pins/pistons remain free to move properly. That's why at least annual
> brake services are highly recommended (twice-annual in the Northeast).
>
>
>
> > Thank you for the responses. I just wanted to check because I heard
> > this going around. *
>
> Ah, so you're not a troll. Thanks for the update.

Surprising, I know.

The service people I talked to said the brake stuff was being talked
over a lot out there and was one of their "frequently asked questions"
by customers these days.

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:24:41 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in news:9bc0f253-6f77-
>43c1-add5-fa665ffbcba8@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I have had rumors of 2008s having premature wear on rear brakes. Does
>> the 2009 have any signs of this too?
>
>They're rumors only. There are no special problems with that model's rear
>brakes. Don't worry about it.

Then why is it so common that they rears go out under 20k while the
fronts last 30k?

I had the same thing on the 2007, and the dealer says it's common.
"If you break gently, it uses the rears more," he says.

"So I should stomp the brakes?" I asked.

He shrugged.

J.

JRStern, wrote the following at or about 10/14/2009 12:22 PM:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:24:41 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>
>> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in news:9bc0f253-6f77-
>> 43c1-add5-fa665ffbcba8@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I have had rumors of 2008s having premature wear on rear brakes. Does
>>> the 2009 have any signs of this too?
>> They're rumors only. There are no special problems with that model's rear
>> brakes. Don't worry about it.
>
> Then why is it so common that they rears go out under 20k while the
> fronts last 30k?
>
> I had the same thing on the 2007, and the dealer says it's common.
> "If you break gently, it uses the rears more," he says.
>
> "So I should stomp the brakes?" I asked.
>
> He shrugged.

Partial answer, partial brag.

My mechanic - not a Honda dealership - recently replaced the brakes and
rotors on my 2006 Accord EX-L. I bought a set of Honda OEM pads
thinking that was all I'd need based on his last check of the brakes
early this year when I replaced the tires.

When I got back from my trip and picked up the car he told me that while
the fronts were getting close to replacement, the rears were literally
"paper thin" and really needed replacement. My mileage? 50455 miles on
the ORIGINAL brakes. He wound up replacing the rotors as well due to
rust and pitting, not due to wear or warpage. Said that he'd seen quite
a few rusted, pitted rotors of late.

I asked him about the rears wearing quicker than the fronts (thinking -
probably as you - that back in the day, the rears always seemed to last
forever with front disks) He told me the rears now seem to go faster
than the fronts on many imports. Figures that the braking systems are
now allocating more of the work to the rears for some reason.

Still in all, I am VERY pleased with the service I received with the OEM
pads and I am NOT a "gentle" driver. Not quite a "drive it like I stole
it" guy, but I use the brakes. I wonder how long they would have last
me if I'd done the grandpa routine and applied the brakes like I had an
egg between my foot and the pedal?

> Still in all, I am VERY pleased with the service I received with the OEM
> pads and I am NOT a "gentle" driver. Not quite a "drive it like I stole
> it" guy, but I use the brakes. I wonder how long they would have last me
> if I'd done the grandpa routine and applied the brakes like I had an egg
> between my foot and the pedal?

Huh. I was going to note that the back disks are much smaller -
only they're not! EX and greater are 11.8 / 11.1, though rear are solid.

Must engage the rears before the fronts, or something, because
certainly the load on the fronts is much greater. So, is that part
of how they avoid dive?

J.

zzznot, wrote the following at or about 10/15/2009 2:06 PM:

>
> Huh. I was going to note that the back disks are much smaller -
> only they're not! EX and greater are 11.8 / 11.1, though rear are solid.
>
> Must engage the rears before the fronts, or something, because
> certainly the load on the fronts is much greater. So, is that part
> of how they avoid dive?


Beats me. I think that it must have something to do with the metering
on the brake system (computer or mechanical). The first car I owned
with four wheel ABS disc brakes was a 87 Pontiac STE (God, I loved that
car) and even with that one, the front pads always went before the rear.
As I recall, I could generally get ~33K-37K off the fronts and
$60K-70K off the rears and I didn't sell the car until I had >190K on
the odometer (my mechanic bought it<g>).

If you get too much (or sole braking)effort from the rear, you can find
yourself in an amusement park ride.

If you're driving down the road and stomp on the brakes and you only
have brakes on the rear, your car's rear end is going to come around 180
degrees and you'll be sailing down the road backwards.
Counter-intuitive, I know. That's what I thought when it was taught to
me at the Traffic Institute at Northwestern University in a crash
investigation course. The instructors proved it to us with both a model
car on an incline and later on in the field at a parking lot where we
practiced estimating minimum speeds from tire marks.

Just find a nice big parking lot, get it up to 30-40 m/h and pull on the
emergency brake like your life depended on it. When you come to rest
you'll be looking at where you ceme from rather than where you were
headed<g>

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:25:26 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>Eternal Searcher <eternalsearcherREMOVE7219@yahoo.ca> wrote in
>news:h8c87s$j42$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> tww1491 wrote:
>>
>>> I replaced my rears on a 06 I4 coupe at 53k. The fronts are still
>>> OK.
>>
>> I had to replace the front pads on my '04 Civic last year at 46k.
>> Rears are drums and are still fine. Honda brake pads do seem to be
>> wearing more quickly than they used to, from what I've been reading.
>>
>
>
>
>I've been hanging around Usenet since about 1999. Reports of inadequate
>rear disc brake pad life have been around at least as long.
>
>Areas with regularly bad weather (such as the Peoples' Republic of Canada)
>have the worst pad life problems.



(As opposed to the Peoples' Republic of California??)