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Old 10 Aug 2009, 06:36 am
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Default Is a 91 Accord a Clunker?

Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program seems
to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
gotten a new Civic.
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Old 10 Aug 2009, 08:10 pm
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Default Re: Is a 91 Accord a Clunker?


"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program
> seems
> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
> gotten a new Civic.


If you have a 91 Accord that gets 20mpg, you have a clunker, no matter
what the program specifies.


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Old 10 Aug 2009, 09:03 pm
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Stewart wrote:
> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ra1085lnml3pkvif52jcol7v5cf3gtgv8i@4ax.com...
>> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program
>> seems
>> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
>> gotten a new Civic.

>
> If you have a 91 Accord that gets 20mpg, you have a clunker, no matter
> what the program specifies.
>
>


indeed - that thing should be getting in the 30's.
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Old 10 Aug 2009, 11:45 pm
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Stewart wrote:
>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:ra1085lnml3pkvif52jcol7v5cf3gtgv8i@4ax.com...
>>> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program
>>> seems
>>> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
>>> gotten a new Civic.

>>
>> If you have a 91 Accord that gets 20mpg, you have a clunker, no
>> matter what the program specifies.

>
> indeed - that thing should be getting in the 30's.


Easy 30's. My old 79 hatchback was in the low to mid 30's.


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Old 11 Aug 2009, 07:29 am
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:45:37 -0700, "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org>
wrote:

>
>"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:7fmdnSwSkLrkTB3XnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@speakeasy.n et...
>> Stewart wrote:
>>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ra1085lnml3pkvif52jcol7v5cf3gtgv8i@4ax.com...
>>>> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program
>>>> seems
>>>> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
>>>> gotten a new Civic.
>>>
>>> If you have a 91 Accord that gets 20mpg, you have a clunker, no
>>> matter what the program specifies.

>>
>> indeed - that thing should be getting in the 30's.

>
>Easy 30's. My old 79 hatchback was in the low to mid 30's.
>


I don't drive it a whole lot. Sometimes I drive it to the nearby
Park-N-Ride lot but usually I commute by bike. I think I average 5500
miles per year, almost all of it local driving. Now that I really
think about it though, I probably get around 22 mpg. I'll check the
next time I fill up.

It is a great car but it has significant rust and badly needs a paint
job. I just don't see putting in more money than I have to though -
it's only got 115k on it but it's gone through an awful lot of NY
winters. If I could get $4k for a trade-in I'd likely get a new Civic.
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Old 11 Aug 2009, 09:13 am
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Default Re: Is a 91 Accord a Clunker?

Looks like no, it does not qualify, the average epa rating for this car
(modified) is 22 mpg, the average driver gets 22.8. so while your mileage
is very average, especially considering, short trips, city driving and cold
winters, it is not "bad enough".
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

and http://www.cars.gov/faq#category-07

"How do I know if my car or truck is an eligible trade-in vehicle?

There are several requirements (but you also have to meet certain conditions
for the car or truck you wish to buy). Your dealer can help you determine
whether you have an eligible trade in vehicle.

Your trade-in vehicle must

have been manufactured less than 25 years before the date you trade it in
have a "new" combined city/highway fuel economy of 18 miles per gallon or
less
be in drivable condition
be continuously insured and registered to the same owner for the full year
preceding the trade-in
The trade-in vehicle must have been manufactured not earlier than 25 years
before the date of trade in and, in the case of a category 3 vehicle, must
also have been manufactured not later than model year 2001"



"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program seems
> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
> gotten a new Civic.


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Old 11 Aug 2009, 08:55 pm
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dgk wrote:
> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program seems
> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
> gotten a new Civic.


Well, it's definitely a clunker (at least, mine is with all the rust and
dented body panels it accumulated after 5 years in college parking
lots). But, perhaps sadly, it's not eligible for a CARS rebate.

BTW, with 115K on it, there's LOTs of life left in it. Mine's at 214K
now. And it gets about 32 highway and high 20's around town.

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Old 13 Aug 2009, 07:28 am
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:55:26 -0400, JRE <nothing@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program seems
>> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
>> gotten a new Civic.

>
>Well, it's definitely a clunker (at least, mine is with all the rust and
> dented body panels it accumulated after 5 years in college parking
>lots). But, perhaps sadly, it's not eligible for a CARS rebate.
>
>BTW, with 115K on it, there's LOTs of life left in it. Mine's at 214K
>now. And it gets about 32 highway and high 20's around town.


There's mileage and then there is hard living. NY winters and roads
account for much. Still, I'm not aware of any major problems looming.
It has cost between $500 and $1000 each of the past few years for
various ailments. I would be cheaper if I knew how to diagnose and fix
some of this stuff but I'm definitely better with software than
hardware. I did replace the computer on it once.

Still, even at $1000 per year, it's cheaper than buying a new car. And
insurance is much lower than for a newer car. I do miss airbags
though, and ABS.

It would look much better if I had it painted.
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Old 13 Aug 2009, 05:48 pm
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dgk wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:55:26 -0400, JRE <nothing@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> dgk wrote:
>>> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program seems
>>> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
>>> gotten a new Civic.

>> Well, it's definitely a clunker (at least, mine is with all the rust and
>> dented body panels it accumulated after 5 years in college parking
>> lots). But, perhaps sadly, it's not eligible for a CARS rebate.
>>
>> BTW, with 115K on it, there's LOTs of life left in it. Mine's at 214K
>> now. And it gets about 32 highway and high 20's around town.

>
> There's mileage and then there is hard living. NY winters and roads
> account for much. Still, I'm not aware of any major problems looming.
> It has cost between $500 and $1000 each of the past few years for
> various ailments. I would be cheaper if I knew how to diagnose and fix
> some of this stuff but I'm definitely better with software than
> hardware. I did replace the computer on it once.
>
> Still, even at $1000 per year, it's cheaper than buying a new car. And
> insurance is much lower than for a newer car. I do miss airbags
> though, and ABS.
>
> It would look much better if I had it painted.


Mine has been in NYS all its life, except for about 6 months in PA.

Why did you have to replace the computer?

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Old 14 Aug 2009, 07:46 am
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On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:48:05 -0400, JRE <nothing@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:55:26 -0400, JRE <nothing@nowhere.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> dgk wrote:
>>>> Apparently not. It does get around 20mpg and the Clunker program seems
>>>> to require that it get 18 or less. Oh well. I very well might have
>>>> gotten a new Civic.
>>> Well, it's definitely a clunker (at least, mine is with all the rust and
>>> dented body panels it accumulated after 5 years in college parking
>>> lots). But, perhaps sadly, it's not eligible for a CARS rebate.
>>>
>>> BTW, with 115K on it, there's LOTs of life left in it. Mine's at 214K
>>> now. And it gets about 32 highway and high 20's around town.

>>
>> There's mileage and then there is hard living. NY winters and roads
>> account for much. Still, I'm not aware of any major problems looming.
>> It has cost between $500 and $1000 each of the past few years for
>> various ailments. I would be cheaper if I knew how to diagnose and fix
>> some of this stuff but I'm definitely better with software than
>> hardware. I did replace the computer on it once.
>>
>> Still, even at $1000 per year, it's cheaper than buying a new car. And
>> insurance is much lower than for a newer car. I do miss airbags
>> though, and ABS.
>>
>> It would look much better if I had it painted.

>
>Mine has been in NYS all its life, except for about 6 months in PA.
>
>Why did you have to replace the computer?


It was in a deep puddle after a big downpour. The water was two inches
deep in the passenger side. It was fine until I drove it home and
pulled down a steep hill - then the car died and wouldn't start. After
a week it still wouldn't start.

Folks here told me that I had likely shorted out the computer since it
is under the passenger's feet. Sure enough, a $60 junkyard replacement
and the car was alive.

I ended up using a few buckets of cat litter to really dry out the
carpet and that worked very well.

I'm a bit nervous that more damage was done by the flooding but it
isn't like the motor got submerged and it's been about 3 years since
it happened.
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