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Old 26 Jun 2009, 02:15 pm
Iowna Uass
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Default Another gassy subject

In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I have noticed
Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.

I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.

Any opinions on this?


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Old 26 Jun 2009, 03:41 pm
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"Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I have
> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>
> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>
> Any opinions on this?

I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives that
CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per se. I
don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.

I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell had a
reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.

Paul


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Old 26 Jun 2009, 05:06 pm
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"Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
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>
> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I have
>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>
>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>
>> Any opinions on this?

> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives that
> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per se. I
> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.
>
> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell had a
> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>
> Paul
>
>
>




I've been wondering about this myself.

www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry (not that
I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other N-containing
compounds).

Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics on just
what they're putting in there and why it's so good.

Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all sorts of
warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems were
damaged by Shell gasolines.


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Old 29 Jun 2009, 10:46 pm
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
>@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>>
>> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I have
>>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>>
>>> Any opinions on this?

>> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives that
>> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per se. I
>> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.
>>
>> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell had a
>> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>
>I've been wondering about this myself.
>
>www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry (not that
>I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other N-containing
>compounds).
>
>Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics on just
>what they're putting in there and why it's so good.
>
>Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all sorts of
>warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems were
>damaged by Shell gasolines.


Does anyone remember the Shell Platformate commercials in the 1960s?
Typically a car with Shell minus Platformate would run around the
track until it ran out of gas. Then an identical car running Shell
with Platformate would break through the banner denoting the first
car's expiration point. Never found out what Platformate was either.

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Old 29 Jun 2009, 11:43 pm
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Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>
>> "Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
>> @nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>>>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I have
>>>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions on this?
>>> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives that
>>> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per se. I
>>> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell had a
>>> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>> I've been wondering about this myself.
>>
>> www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry (not that
>> I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other N-containing
>> compounds).
>>
>> Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics on just
>> what they're putting in there and why it's so good.
>>
>> Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all sorts of
>> warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems were
>> damaged by Shell gasolines.

>
> Does anyone remember the Shell Platformate commercials in the 1960s?
> Typically a car with Shell minus Platformate would run around the
> track until it ran out of gas. Then an identical car running Shell
> with Platformate would break through the banner denoting the first
> car's expiration point. Never found out what Platformate was either.
>



I remember those ads! My guess is it was more gas. ;-)
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Old 03 Jul 2009, 07:40 am
L Alpert
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"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:jf2j45p9udj05ictbq7lu4iq050v0qrd53@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
> <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>
>>"Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
>>@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>>>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I
>>>> have
>>>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions on this?
>>> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives
>>> that
>>> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per
>>> se. I
>>> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell
>>> had a
>>> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>>I've been wondering about this myself.
>>
>>www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry (not
>>that
>>I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other
>>N-containing
>>compounds).
>>
>>Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics on
>>just
>>what they're putting in there and why it's so good.
>>
>>Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all sorts
>>of
>>warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems
>>were
>>damaged by Shell gasolines.

>


Nitrogen is used in many places for oxygen free environments. This
removes ambient moisture from the process...not sure if this is why
they use it in this instance, but the us of nitrogen is commonplace in
polymer processing of hydroscopic resins.

> Does anyone remember the Shell Platformate commercials in the 1960s?
> Typically a car with Shell minus Platformate would run around the
> track until it ran out of gas. Then an identical car running Shell
> with Platformate would break through the banner denoting the first
> car's expiration point. Never found out what Platformate was
> either.
>



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Old 03 Jul 2009, 08:10 am
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L Alpert wrote:
> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:jf2j45p9udj05ictbq7lu4iq050v0qrd53@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
>> <invalid@invalid.inv>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
>>> @nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>>>>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I
>>>>> have
>>>>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any opinions on this?
>>>> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives
>>>> that
>>>> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per
>>>> se. I
>>>> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell
>>>> had a
>>>> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been wondering about this myself.
>>>
>>> www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry (not
>>> that
>>> I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other
>>> N-containing
>>> compounds).
>>>
>>> Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics on
>>> just
>>> what they're putting in there and why it's so good.
>>>
>>> Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all sorts
>>> of
>>> warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems
>>> were
>>> damaged by Shell gasolines.

>
> Nitrogen is used in many places for oxygen free environments. This
> removes ambient moisture from the process...not sure if this is why
> they use it in this instance, but the us of nitrogen is commonplace in
> polymer processing of hydroscopic resins.


it's not nitrogen gas like you're talking about, it's nitrogen
compounds. apparently it's simply reformulation of their detergents.


>
>> Does anyone remember the Shell Platformate commercials in the 1960s?
>> Typically a car with Shell minus Platformate would run around the
>> track until it ran out of gas. Then an identical car running Shell
>> with Platformate would break through the banner denoting the first
>> car's expiration point. Never found out what Platformate was
>> either.
>>

>
>

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Old 03 Jul 2009, 10:38 am
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>L Alpert wrote:
>> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:jf2j45p9udj05ictbq7lu4iq050v0qrd53@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
>>> <invalid@invalid.inv>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
>>>> @nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>>
>>>>> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>>>>>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any opinions on this?
>>>>> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives
>>>>> that
>>>>> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen
>>>>> per se. I
>>>>> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in
>>>>> gasoline.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose
>>>>> Shell had a
>>>>> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been wondering about this myself.
>>>>
>>>> www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry
>>>> (not that
>>>> I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other
>>>> N-containing
>>>> compounds).
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics
>>>> on just
>>>> what they're putting in there and why it's so good.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all
>>>> sorts of
>>>> warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems
>>>> were
>>>> damaged by Shell gasolines.

>>
>> Nitrogen is used in many places for oxygen free environments. This
>> removes ambient moisture from the process...not sure if this is why
>> they use it in this instance, but the us of nitrogen is commonplace
>> in polymer processing of hydroscopic resins.

>
> it's not nitrogen gas like you're talking about, it's nitrogen
> compounds. apparently it's simply reformulation of their
> detergents.
>


Hmm, not sure if could have anything to do with lowering moisture as a
compound. I wonder what do they claim is the added benefit to what
they are advertising?
Google is my freind.....here is a quick blurb on it from cnet....
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10185640-48.html
>
>>
>>> Does anyone remember the Shell Platformate commercials in the
>>> 1960s?
>>> Typically a car with Shell minus Platformate would run around the
>>> track until it ran out of gas. Then an identical car running
>>> Shell
>>> with Platformate would break through the banner denoting the first
>>> car's expiration point. Never found out what Platformate was
>>> either.
>>>

>>


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Old 04 Jul 2009, 07:14 pm
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:15:18 -0500, "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I have noticed
>Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>
>I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>
>Any opinions on this?


Considering oxides of nitrogen are prime pollution species, it doesn't
sound good.

J.

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Old 09 Jul 2009, 11:29 pm
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:10:42 -0700, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>L Alpert wrote:
>> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:jf2j45p9udj05ictbq7lu4iq050v0qrd53@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
>>> <invalid@invalid.inv>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Paul" <pkmueller@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:kka1m.3599$kA.600
>>>> @nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>>
>>>>> "Iowna Uass" <iownauass@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k791m.1851$KQ4.1458@newsfe18.iad...
>>>>>> In keeping with the topic of gasoline in the previous posts, I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> noticed Shell (Canada) advertising Nitrogen infused gasoline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking it's a load of water buffalo dung.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any opinions on this?
>>>>> I believe what Shell is advertising is an additive or additives
>>>>> that
>>>>> CONTAIN(S) nitrogen (i.e., a nitrogen compound), not nitrogen per
>>>>> se. I
>>>>> don't think elemental nitrogen is especially soluble in gasoline.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea how effective the additive is, but I suppose Shell
>>>>> had a
>>>>> reason to put it in the gas, and some reason to think it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been wondering about this myself.
>>>>
>>>> www.shell.ca/nitrogen/ offers zero in the way of the chemistry (not
>>>> that
>>>> I'm a chemist, but I know the difference between N2 and other
>>>> N-containing
>>>> compounds).
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I have no opinion at all until I have some specifics on
>>>> just
>>>> what they're putting in there and why it's so good.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, it wasn't so long ago that Shell had to pay for all sorts
>>>> of
>>>> warranty claims on vehicles whose fuel-level measurement systems
>>>> were
>>>> damaged by Shell gasolines.

>>
>> Nitrogen is used in many places for oxygen free environments. This
>> removes ambient moisture from the process...not sure if this is why
>> they use it in this instance, but the us of nitrogen is commonplace in
>> polymer processing of hydroscopic resins.

>
>it's not nitrogen gas like you're talking about, it's nitrogen
>compounds. apparently it's simply reformulation of their detergents.


Maybe it's nitromethane. ;-)

>
>
>>
>>> Does anyone remember the Shell Platformate commercials in the 1960s?
>>> Typically a car with Shell minus Platformate would run around the
>>> track until it ran out of gas. Then an identical car running Shell
>>> with Platformate would break through the banner denoting the first
>>> car's expiration point. Never found out what Platformate was
>>> either.
>>>

>>
>>

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