Honda Car Forum

On Jun 24, 1:47*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Bionic Man <t.p.bernha...@sbcglobal.net> wrote innews:4c5a3569-91aa-4e95-ae6e-b586894f7815@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Too bad there is so little information on this at least potentially
> > important topic.
>
> That's for sure.
>
> To me, the whole thing smells faintly "off". Maybe it's all perfectly
> above-board, but the relative lack of information (and participation) after
> five long years has me wondering.
>
> > I'll stop back here from time to time to see if there
> > is anything new. In the meanwhile, I'll pay for the piece of mind and
> > limit my cars to Top-Tier gas.
>
> www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.

the site is back up.

I'm pretty sure all grades of gas must meet Top Tier standards for the
brand to get Top Tier approval.

"ACAR" <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c257c301-26d2-4d61-827e-54cb701727c3@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 24, 1:47 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Bionic Man <t.p.bernha...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> innews:4c5a3569-91aa-4e95-ae6e-b586894f7815@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Too bad there is so little information on this at least potentially
> > important topic.
>
> That's for sure.
>
> To me, the whole thing smells faintly "off". Maybe it's all perfectly
> above-board, but the relative lack of information (and participation)
> after
> five long years has me wondering.
>
> > I'll stop back here from time to time to see if there
> > is anything new. In the meanwhile, I'll pay for the piece of mind and
> > limit my cars to Top-Tier gas.
>
> www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.

> the site is back up.
>
> I'm pretty sure all grades of gas must meet Top Tier standards for the
> brand to get Top Tier approval.

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

In article
<c257c301-26d2-4d61-827e-54cb701727c3@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
ACAR <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote:

> > www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.
>
> the site is back up.

no, it's not. They've mapped toptiergas.com to AC Delco's site.

still no sign of the actual toptiergas.com content...

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
04E75B.22052425062009@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article
> <c257c301-26d2-4d61-827e-54cb701727c3@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> ACAR <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.
>>
>> the site is back up.
>
> no, it's not. They've mapped toptiergas.com to AC Delco's site.



It appears back to normal. No connection to AC Delco's site.


>
> still no sign of the actual toptiergas.com content...



Very little info at all, except that VW now appears to be part of the
consortium. But still not Ford, Chrysler, Subaru, Suzuki, Mazda, Nissan,
Hyundai or Mercedes.


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Tegger

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ACAR <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c257c301-26d2-4d61-827e-54cb701727c3@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 24, 1:47*pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> Bionic Man <t.p.bernha...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> innews:4c5a3569-91aa-4e95-
> ae6e-b586894f7815@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Too bad there is so little information on this at least potentially
>> > important topic.
>>
>> That's for sure.
>>
>> To me, the whole thing smells faintly "off". Maybe it's all perfectly
>> above-board, but the relative lack of information (and participation)
>> after five long years has me wondering.
>>
>> > I'll stop back here from time to time to see if there
>> > is anything new. In the meanwhile, I'll pay for the piece of mind
>> > and limit my cars to Top-Tier gas.
>>
>> www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.
>
> the site is back up.
>
> I'm pretty sure all grades of gas must meet Top Tier standards for the
> brand to get Top Tier approval.
>
>


Excerpt from the standards page:

"The base fuel shall conform to ASTM D 4814 and shall contain commercial
fuel grade ethanol conforming to ASTM D 4806...Contain enough denatured
ethanol such that the actual ethanol content is no less than 8.0 and no
more than 10.0 volume percent..."
This, I suspect, is Exxon's issue. Ethanol wrecks the equipment and
requires expensive handling prior to retail. And the more ethanol the worse
the problem.

The site makes a big deal about the reduction in concentration of detergent
additives, but it seems to make no acknowledgement of the possibility that
additives may not need to be bulky to be effective. No particular additives
are specified.


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Tegger

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In article <Xns9C364E3D4B08Ctegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> > no, it's not. They've mapped toptiergas.com to AC Delco's site.
>
>
>
> It appears back to normal. No connection to AC Delco's site.

huh, still AC Delco's site here.

I'll wait for the router tables to update, I guess.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
42A602.14112326062009@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <Xns9C364E3D4B08Ctegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> > no, it's not. They've mapped toptiergas.com to AC Delco's site.
>>
>>
>>
>> It appears back to normal. No connection to AC Delco's site.
>
> huh, still AC Delco's site here.
>
> I'll wait for the router tables to update, I guess.
>



What IP address were you getting?

toptiergas.com is 69.20.102.218
acdelco.com is 170.224.60.163

Both are registered by GM, though...


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In article <Xns9C36B6D41217Dtegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> What IP address were you getting?
>
> toptiergas.com is 69.20.102.218

well, that's what my lookup shows.

Hang on, let me try my virtual XP machine.

Nope. So it's not a local cache, it's a remote cache or a router
problem.

Thus spake "Dh" <Dh@home.invalid.tv> :

>
>"ACAR" <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c257c301-26d2-4d61-827e-54cb701727c3@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 24, 1:47 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> Bionic Man <t.p.bernha...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> innews:4c5a3569-91aa-4e95-ae6e-b586894f7815@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Too bad there is so little information on this at least potentially
>> > important topic.
>>
>> That's for sure.
>>
>> To me, the whole thing smells faintly "off". Maybe it's all perfectly
>> above-board, but the relative lack of information (and participation)
>> after
>> five long years has me wondering.
>>
>> > I'll stop back here from time to time to see if there
>> > is anything new. In the meanwhile, I'll pay for the piece of mind and
>> > limit my cars to Top-Tier gas.
>>
>> www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.
>
>> the site is back up.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure all grades of gas must meet Top Tier standards for the
>> brand to get Top Tier approval.
>
>Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

FF. Safari. Opera. Chrome.

>
>
>
>
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to be a cylon."
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:31:39 -0500, Dillon Pyron
<invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>Thus spake Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> :
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:47:12 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Bionic Man <t.p.bernhardt@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>>>news:4c5a3569-91aa-4e95-ae6e-b586894f7815@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Too bad there is so little information on this at least potentially
>>>> important topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That's for sure.
>>>
>>>To me, the whole thing smells faintly "off". Maybe it's all perfectly
>>>above-board, but the relative lack of information (and participation) after
>>>five long years has me wondering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll stop back here from time to time to see if there
>>>> is anything new. In the meanwhile, I'll pay for the piece of mind and
>>>> limit my cars to Top-Tier gas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>www.toptiergas.com is still down. Very weird.
>>>
>>>ExxonMobil gas is not rated as "Top Tier" likely only because the "Top
>>>Tier" standard requires more ethanol than Exxon is willing to use. Even if
>>>Exxon fuels had more effective detergents than anybody else, you'd never
>>>know, since they don't qualify for consideration in any case.
>>
>>In Chicago (maybe all of IL) all gas has 10% ethanol including Mobil.
>>For what it is worth, I had an '86 Integra that ran on regular gas.
>>After years of filling up at mostly one Mobil station, the car
>>developed a knock on acceleration. I believe that this was caused by
>>carbon build up in the head/valves. This is exactly the problem that
>>more detergent is intended to remedy.
>>
>>>And what about Valero? Valero is America's largest gasoline refiner, and
>>>they even operate their own retail stations. They're not "Top Tier" either.
>>>
>>>What makes me more curious than anything else is why, after five years,
>>>have Ford, Chrysler, Subaru, Suzuki, Mazda, Nissan, Hyundai, Mercedes, and
>>>Volkswagen/Porsche/Audi _not_ jumped on the "Top Tier" bandwagon?
>>
>>Certainly right to be skeptical of anything big corporations do. The
>>one thing that makes me think the Top Tier designation is legit is
>>that by accounts it is a published standard that any fuel company
>>could choose to meet.
>
>Who publishes this "standard"? ISO? ANSI? SEMA? SAE?

It is described in detail at the top tier site. It is their standard
but it references ASTM methods.

>And, to quote a pretty neat movie, "if everyone's special, no one's
>special".

In this case, not everyone chooses to be special. In any event, their
is no indication that the standard requires payment of any licensing
fees which is the real issue.