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Aron wrote:
> Basically, I don't want it. I don't think it is worth spending more
> on. I guess that makes you uncomfortable.
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-51A0C5.18200829042004@news.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <oq8kc.14812$gH6.11423@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net>,
>> "Aron" <drenkav1912@earthlink.ten> wrote:
>>
>>> Basically, you're only going to
>>> impress the people that need the newest thing to spend money on.
>>>
>>> Basically, I don't see how it can be worthwhile.
>>
>> Basically, it's because basically you don't get it.

Value is in the eye of the beholder.

Aron wrote:
> That's pretty good. I wouldn't want an extra bill in order to listen
> to the radio though. I have never been anywhere I can remember where
> there was no radio coverage.

I can think of a few places where radio coverage was minimal. I like the
idea of having the same stations all the time, no matter where one is.

As far as the bill, as I said before, value is in the eye of the beholder.
For me, it is worth the $10 a month.

>I have, however been where there are
> only two stations and they both suck. I guess that's about equal to
> cutting out in Yosemite since either way I'd be popping in a CD.

Always a good alternative, though those CD's do cost money, so either way,
it is paid for.

>I
> don't like the idea of paying for radio. Paying for TV (cable) was
> the downfall of local television coverage and now you really can't
> get TV without paying a premium for it even though advertisers have
> already paid for it. Even in a metro area you only have a small
> number of broadcast television stations. I would hate to see that
> happen to radio.

I get 16 stations with my OTA antenna on the roof (funny how things have a
habit of coming back in style), 11 digital, and 7 or 8 that offer HD
content.



>
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_pjkc.1326$I%1.149423@attbi_s51...
>> Aron wrote:
>>> Why XM? Remember, when cable came out they said no ads too.
>>> Everyone switched to cable and now there is hardly any broadcast TV.
>>> Now everyone with cable is stuck paying for ads that make an hour
>>> and a half movie three hours long. Why pay for radio when it's
>>> already free?
>>>
>>> I have experienced XM in a car, not just some display in a store.
>>> In places with trees it cuts out like a cell phone. A digital
>>> station can't come in unless it's clear. Also, I hear people make
>>> fun of the funny antenna you have to put on the roof. Basically,
>>> you're only going to impress the people that need the newest thing
>>> to spend money on.
>>>
>>> Basically, I don't see how it can be worthwhile.
>>
>> I have one, and I probably wouldn't want to do without it now.
>>
>> I drove from the SF Bay area to the middle of Yosemite, and I didn't
>> loose it until I got almost to the middle of the park. I never
>> loose it around town......
>>
>> So far, no commercials are only on the music stations. CNN, MSNBC,
>> ESPN radio, et al have commercials.
>>
>>>
>>> Aron
>>>
>>> "Robert11" <rgsxrose@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:sd6dnQ5zuveTYxLdRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>>>> Hello:
>>>>
>>>> Am thinking of getting satellite radio XM as a gift for a person
>>>> with a new 2004 Accord LX 6 cyl. Apparently it does not come
>>>> with an XM capable radio (only the leather packages have it) so
>>>> will have to do it the hard way, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> a. Does the "standard" 6 CD radio that came installed with the car
>>>> have an aux. jack, anywhere, to accept the XM tuner output, or must
>>>> one use the small fm transmitter that
>>>> you can purchase for it ?
>>>>
>>>> b. Hate to have to install the antenna on the exterior of the car.
>>>> The salesman said that it works fine placing it on the dashboard,
>>>> as the glass is so extremely angled, it has a good sky view. Also
>>>> said it works if you
>>>> place it on the rear inside shelf.
>>>>
>>>> Are both of these statements true ?
>>>> Or, is it "substantially" better on the roof ?
>>>>
>>>> c. Not too sure what else to ask.
>>>>
>>>> Are you folks happy with XM ?
>>>> Works well ?
>>>> Worth it, in your opinion ?
>>>>
>>>> Any caveats, etc. ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob

hi there,

i saw your posting on the honda newsgroup and wanted to know how you solved
your installation of the xm satellite in your '04 accord lx. i have a brand
new '04 accord with the same set up as you (ie lx with the 6 cd unit).

can you tell me first of all if you are enjoying the xm service?

i too am considering the fm modulator; did you go with this? how's it
working?

what all did they have to do to your car to get the xm installed?

where did you put the antenna?

anything else that might help me finalize my decision regarding xm?

thanks for your time. appreciate any help that you can offer.

regards,

roger

"Aron" <drenkav1912@earthlink.ten> wrote in message
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>
> "Masterson" <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote in message
> news:4KWdnVzfE9m0hgzd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > >>>Why XM? Remember, when cable came out they said no ads too.
> > Actually, XM just recently increased the number of comercial free
> stations.
> >
> >
> > >>>everyone with cable is stuck paying for ads that make an hour and
> > a half movie three hours long.
> > My HBO plays movies straight though, yours puts ads in the middle?
> And how much EXTRA do yu PAY for HBO? I was talking about the standard
> cable stations, not the premium stations.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >>>Why pay for radio when it's already free?
> > Cause my local stations don't have CNN, FOXnews, MLB or NFL
> > games. I also cant get any NASCAR races on fm. ohhh wait.....
> > I also can't get a 24hour Comedy channel. (it goes on and on and on)
> You don't have CNN or FOX news but you do have NPR on FM and AM has at
least
> MLB and plenty of news. I don't listen to the radio for sports so I can't
> be certain but I bet you can find other sportscasting on AM. Well maybe
you
> aren't in an area with a good selection of stations or something but in
the
> New York area there are tons of sttions.
>
> >
> >
> > >>>In places with trees it cuts out like a cell phone.
> > Nothing is perfect, but its much better then most FM signals.
> You have no chance of hearing what going on if it cuts out. You can hear
> through most AM/FM signal problems. If you're trying to listen to
> information or music, continuity is important.
>
> >
> >
> > >>>A digital station can't come in unless it's clear.
> > If you like the sound of static, its ok. I understand.
> > Some dont like the sound, so no signal is better then raw noise. Also,
> > I dont have a single problem getting receiption. Owned it for more
> > then a year now......never a droped signal.
> This may be your experience but it doesn't describe XM in general because
I
> have experience repeated dropped signals on a regular basis on a
> professionally installed system. I'm sure it depends mostly on the area.
>
> >
> >
> > >>>I hear people make fun of the funny antenna you have to put on the
> roof.
> > Dont be foolish. Not a good reason at all for not liking it.
> But it might be a good reason not to do it. I be you wouldn't wear clown
> shoes to school or work (unless of course you work as a clown or
something)
> even if you liked them.
>
>

Roger Williams wrote:
> hi there,
>
> i saw your posting on the honda newsgroup and wanted to know how you
> solved your installation of the xm satellite in your '04 accord lx.
> i have a brand new '04 accord with the same set up as you (ie lx with
> the 6 cd unit).
>
> can you tell me first of all if you are enjoying the xm service?

Immensely.

>
> i too am considering the fm modulator; did you go with this? how's it
> working?
>
> what all did they have to do to your car to get the xm installed?

I have the NAV system, so it came with it it.

>
> where did you put the antenna?

I came installed on the roof.

Standard for the V6 EX with NAV.....

>
> anything else that might help me finalize my decision regarding xm?

If you hate insulting and ridiculous commercials and blathering announcers,
it's great.

>
> thanks for your time. appreciate any help that you can offer.
>
> regards,
>
> roger
>
> "Aron" <drenkav1912@earthlink.ten> wrote in message
> news:i%2qc.11622$zO3.286@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>>
>> "Masterson" <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote in message
>> news:4KWdnVzfE9m0hgzd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Why XM? Remember, when cable came out they said no ads too.
>>> Actually, XM just recently increased the number of comercial free
>>> stations.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> everyone with cable is stuck paying for ads that make an hour and
>>> a half movie three hours long.
>>> My HBO plays movies straight though, yours puts ads in the middle?
>> And how much EXTRA do yu PAY for HBO? I was talking about the
>> standard cable stations, not the premium stations.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Why pay for radio when it's already free?
>>> Cause my local stations don't have CNN, FOXnews, MLB or NFL
>>> games. I also cant get any NASCAR races on fm. ohhh wait.....
>>> I also can't get a 24hour Comedy channel. (it goes on and on and on)
>> You don't have CNN or FOX news but you do have NPR on FM and AM has
>> at least MLB and plenty of news. I don't listen to the radio for
>> sports so I can't be certain but I bet you can find other
>> sportscasting on AM. Well maybe you aren't in an area with a good
>> selection of stations or something but in the New York area there
>> are tons of sttions.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> In places with trees it cuts out like a cell phone.
>>> Nothing is perfect, but its much better then most FM signals.
>> You have no chance of hearing what going on if it cuts out. You can
>> hear through most AM/FM signal problems. If you're trying to listen
>> to information or music, continuity is important.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> A digital station can't come in unless it's clear.
>>> If you like the sound of static, its ok. I understand.
>>> Some dont like the sound, so no signal is better then raw noise.
>>> Also, I dont have a single problem getting receiption. Owned it
>>> for more then a year now......never a droped signal.
>> This may be your experience but it doesn't describe XM in general
>> because I have experience repeated dropped signals on a regular
>> basis on a professionally installed system. I'm sure it depends
>> mostly on the area.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I hear people make fun of the funny antenna you have to put on
>>>>>> the
>> roof.
>>> Dont be foolish. Not a good reason at all for not liking it.
>> But it might be a good reason not to do it. I be you wouldn't wear
>> clown shoes to school or work (unless of course you work as a clown
>> or something) even if you liked them.

> That's pretty good. I wouldn't want an extra bill in order to listen to the
> radio though. I have never been anywhere I can remember where there was no
> radio coverage.

You're thinking satellite radio is like "radio" as you know it. It
isn't. No commercials. Better music. Bigger selections. Great
sound quality.

Try this. A typical FM station plays what, a thousand or fewer
tracks? XM's music library has 2 million tracks. Even Sirius, while
musically weak IMO, has half a million.

It really isn't the same thing as "radio". I've had XM since Jan '02.
I have four XM subscriptions plus one Sirius subscription. I've yet
to meet anyone who has had XM and got rid of it. I would get rid of
cable TV. But not XM.

We have two XM's where the antenna is just stuck to the dashboard (1
front, 1 rear deck) with a little velcro. Nobody has noticed it yet,
AFAIK.

Also, Honda is now putting the antenna inside the brake light housing
on some vehicles I believe. Totally invisible. The new antennas are
1" square, roughly.

> Not really but I do try not to look like an idiot. If it's important enough
> to me then I'm not going to do it even if others aren't understanding.
>

Remember when we were talking about XM 2 weeks and 1 day ago? I had a
couple questions. Did you calculate those percentages? Are you always this
grumpy or do you feel threatened? Thanks.

"Masterson" <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Aron...
>
> Congrats on coming back to a conversation that ended two weeks ago.
>
>
> >You don't have CNN or FOX news but you do have NPR on FM
> >and AM has at least MLB and plenty of news.
>
> You dont get it do you? When I said "CNN and FOX" I wasnt talking
> about getting any news, I was talking about CNN and FOX. I dont
> get them on local free stations.
>
> >I don't listen to the radio for sports so I can't be certain but I bet
you
> >can find other sportscasting on AM.
>
> OK...so you say you "dont listen to the radio for sports" but yet you
> feel the need to act like AM has a lot of sports? Local AM only has
> LOCAL sports. Like ONE game a weekend. Sat radio offers EVERY
> MBL game in the country. and in the future EVERY NFL game.
> Local AM/FM doesnt offer anything near that.
>
>
> >This may be your experience but it doesn't describe XM in general because
I
> >have experience repeated dropped signals on a regular basis on a
> >professionally installed system. I'm sure it depends mostly on the area.
>
> Here is were you are wrong. I'm sorry that you have had a bad experience.
> But did you read the other posts in this thread? 90% of the people that
> responded
> said they get great reception. The other 9% didnt mention reception, but
> had a
> positive oppinion of Sat radio. So far you are alone on this issue.
>
>
> >>>I hear people make fun of the funny antenna you have to put on the
roof.
> >>Dont be foolish. Not a good reason at all for not liking it.
> >But it might be a good reason not to do it. I be you wouldn't wear clown
> shoes
> >to school or work (unless of course you work as a clown or something)
> >even if you liked them.
>
> Still a foolish reason. Nothing you've said changes that. Just as foolish
> as this.....
> "I have a FM/AM stereo in my car. I only listen to AM cause I dont like
the
> letter F"
>
>
> Officially I am done with this thread.
>
>
>
>

true

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> Aron wrote:
> > Basically, I don't want it. I don't think it is worth spending more
> > on. I guess that makes you uncomfortable.
> >
> > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> > news:elmop-51A0C5.18200829042004@news.usenetserver.com...
> >> In article <oq8kc.14812$gH6.11423@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net>,
> >> "Aron" <drenkav1912@earthlink.ten> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Basically, you're only going to
> >>> impress the people that need the newest thing to spend money on.
> >>>
> >>> Basically, I don't see how it can be worthwhile.
> >>
> >> Basically, it's because basically you don't get it.
>
> Value is in the eye of the beholder.
>
>

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-39C042.17345117052004@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <th3qc.11694$zO3.1021@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "Aron" <drenkav1912@earthlink.ten> wrote:
>
> > That's pretty good. I wouldn't want an extra bill in order to listen to
the
> > radio though.
>
> That's funny. I bet you buy bottles of water for a dollar. I bet you
> go to Starbucks and overpay for coffee. But ten bucks a month for
> commercial free music in the car, now that's different. Right?


No, Starbucks is a rip off and I don't go for the idea of buying water.


> > I have never been anywhere I can remember where there was no
> > radio coverage.
>
> Well, now, if you consider the Reverend Billy Joe Bob to be radio worth
> listening to, you may be right.


You deleted my following line that makes this comment of yours nonsequiter.


> > I don't like the idea of paying for
> > radio.
>
> Remember that the next time you buy a bottle of water.


I don't like the idea of paying for water either.



> > Paying for TV (cable) was the downfall of local television coverage
> > and now you really can't get TV without paying a premium for it even
though
> > advertisers have already paid for it.
>
> Radio has already gone down the tubes. Ten bucks a month for the
> privilege of NOT listening to a Clear Channel station is well worth it.
>
> I'll give up the two cups of Starbucks per month for that.


OK, Clear Channel does suck and they are doing their best to monopolise the
radio dial.


> > Even in a metro area you only have a
> > small number of broadcast television stations. I would hate to see that
> > happen to radio.
>
> It's already happened.


I think you are confusing a small selection of content providers (Clear
Channel) with a small number of stations.

I like the idea of getting something that is the expression of the local
community. I hate when I am hundreds of miles away from home and I realize
I'm listening to another Clear Channel station regurgitating the same
contrived crap based on marketing. I feel ripped off. It's like if when I
talked to you, you talked to me in the scripted manor of many over the phone
customer service departments. I wouldn't be pleased because I wouldn't be
talking to an individual, I'd be talking to the same script with a different
voice - a load of crap. So I am all for local culture. I go to a place to
experience a place not to be in my own bubble. Sure I would like the
ability to tune in to those familiar stations back home sometimes but I
think it's kind of sick when places don't have their own voice. Just the
same, I carry enough CDs on a trip to last if that's the mood I'm in so in
the end I don't see how I'd really get anything out of that $10/mo. Also,
keep in mind that it'll be cheap now but the price will probably go through
the roof if XM dominates. I don't want to be stuck getting soaked for a
service for the basic things. Anyway, like you said value is in the eye of
the beholder.


"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> Aron wrote:
> > That's pretty good. I wouldn't want an extra bill in order to listen
> > to the radio though. I have never been anywhere I can remember where
> > there was no radio coverage.
>
> I can think of a few places where radio coverage was minimal. I like the
> idea of having the same stations all the time, no matter where one is.
>
> As far as the bill, as I said before, value is in the eye of the beholder.
> For me, it is worth the $10 a month.
>
> >I have, however been where there are
> > only two stations and they both suck. I guess that's about equal to
> > cutting out in Yosemite since either way I'd be popping in a CD.
>
> Always a good alternative, though those CD's do cost money, so either way,
> it is paid for.
>
> >I
> > don't like the idea of paying for radio. Paying for TV (cable) was
> > the downfall of local television coverage and now you really can't
> > get TV without paying a premium for it even though advertisers have
> > already paid for it. Even in a metro area you only have a small
> > number of broadcast television stations. I would hate to see that
> > happen to radio.
>
> I get 16 stations with my OTA antenna on the roof (funny how things have a
> habit of coming back in style), 11 digital, and 7 or 8 that offer HD
> content.
>
>
>
> >
> > "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:_pjkc.1326$I%1.149423@attbi_s51...
> >> Aron wrote:
> >>> Why XM? Remember, when cable came out they said no ads too.
> >>> Everyone switched to cable and now there is hardly any broadcast TV.
> >>> Now everyone with cable is stuck paying for ads that make an hour
> >>> and a half movie three hours long. Why pay for radio when it's
> >>> already free?
> >>>
> >>> I have experienced XM in a car, not just some display in a store.
> >>> In places with trees it cuts out like a cell phone. A digital
> >>> station can't come in unless it's clear. Also, I hear people make
> >>> fun of the funny antenna you have to put on the roof. Basically,
> >>> you're only going to impress the people that need the newest thing
> >>> to spend money on.
> >>>
> >>> Basically, I don't see how it can be worthwhile.
> >>
> >> I have one, and I probably wouldn't want to do without it now.
> >>
> >> I drove from the SF Bay area to the middle of Yosemite, and I didn't
> >> loose it until I got almost to the middle of the park. I never
> >> loose it around town......
> >>
> >> So far, no commercials are only on the music stations. CNN, MSNBC,
> >> ESPN radio, et al have commercials.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Aron
> >>>
> >>> "Robert11" <rgsxrose@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:sd6dnQ5zuveTYxLdRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> >>>> Hello:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am thinking of getting satellite radio XM as a gift for a person
> >>>> with a new 2004 Accord LX 6 cyl. Apparently it does not come
> >>>> with an XM capable radio (only the leather packages have it) so
> >>>> will have to do it the hard way, I guess.
> >>>>
> >>>> a. Does the "standard" 6 CD radio that came installed with the car
> >>>> have an aux. jack, anywhere, to accept the XM tuner output, or must
> >>>> one use the small fm transmitter that
> >>>> you can purchase for it ?
> >>>>
> >>>> b. Hate to have to install the antenna on the exterior of the car.
> >>>> The salesman said that it works fine placing it on the dashboard,
> >>>> as the glass is so extremely angled, it has a good sky view. Also
> >>>> said it works if you
> >>>> place it on the rear inside shelf.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are both of these statements true ?
> >>>> Or, is it "substantially" better on the roof ?
> >>>>
> >>>> c. Not too sure what else to ask.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you folks happy with XM ?
> >>>> Works well ?
> >>>> Worth it, in your opinion ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any caveats, etc. ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Bob
>
>