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Old 07 Jun 2009, 12:21 pm
steve
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Default Door Locks & Defoggers ?

Hi;

I have a 91 Civic and I will soon be shopping for a more modern used
Civic or Corolla.

There are two things I don't like about my car that I am hoping to get
away in my new car.

The first is the way the drivers side front door locks. You have to
pull the handle to put the locking button down. I'm guessing this
was meant to help people to NOT lock their keys in their car, but it
has never prevented me from doing that. In fact, it is almost a
daily nuisance as a try to get out of my car and hold my bag in my
hand at the same time.

Can this be avoided with a newer Honda?

My current car does not have air conditioning. The defogging
mechanism sucks. When it is raining and chilly/humid my windshield
and other windows still fog up significantly.

Will this not be the case with a car that also has air conditioning?
Is there any way I can test defogging capabilities out while car
shopping -- without having to wait for a rainy and humid day?

Thanks in advance for any info

Steve
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Old 07 Jun 2009, 12:34 pm
L Alpert
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Default Re: Door Locks & Defoggers ?


"steve" <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46085fd2-3621-495a-a025-ccd3fcc17c90@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
> Hi;
>
> I have a 91 Civic and I will soon be shopping for a more modern used
> Civic or Corolla.
>
> There are two things I don't like about my car that I am hoping to
> get
> away in my new car.
>
> The first is the way the drivers side front door locks. You have to
> pull the handle to put the locking button down. I'm guessing this
> was meant to help people to NOT lock their keys in their car, but it
> has never prevented me from doing that. In fact, it is almost a
> daily nuisance as a try to get out of my car and hold my bag in my
> hand at the same time.
>
> Can this be avoided with a newer Honda?
>
> My current car does not have air conditioning. The defogging
> mechanism sucks. When it is raining and chilly/humid my windshield
> and other windows still fog up significantly.
>
> Will this not be the case with a car that also has air conditioning?
> Is there any way I can test defogging capabilities out while car
> shopping -- without having to wait for a rainy and humid day?
>
> Thanks in advance for any info
>
> Steve


Most newer vehicles use remotes for keyless entry and no longer
require you to pull out the handle to lock even when in the car (power
locks). As well, with AC most will use the compressor when using the
defroster/defogger. If not, if you can manually turn on the AC while
using them it will clear up the windows much faster.


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Old 07 Jun 2009, 05:09 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Default Re: Door Locks & Defoggers ?

In article
<46085fd2-3621-495a-a025-ccd3fcc17c90@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
steve <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are two things I don't like about my car that I am hoping to get
> away in my new car.
>
> The first is the way the drivers side front door locks. You have to
> pull the handle to put the locking button down. I'm guessing this
> was meant to help people to NOT lock their keys in their car, but it
> has never prevented me from doing that. In fact, it is almost a
> daily nuisance as a try to get out of my car and hold my bag in my
> hand at the same time.
>
> Can this be avoided with a newer Honda?


Yes.

But I had such a beast; it became, quite literally, an unconscious move.
Methinks you're resisting it way too hard, if it's not automatic by now.



> My current car does not have air conditioning. The defogging
> mechanism sucks.


pssssst--A/C *is* the defogging mechanism. The entire purpose of A/C is
to remove moisture from the air (most people think the purpose of A/C is
to cool the air, but that is not the case). Without A/C, you can't
remove moisture from the air. Hence, you don't have any sort of
defogging mechanism.

You've been operating under a misconception.
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Old 07 Jun 2009, 05:33 pm
ACAR
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Default Re: Door Locks & Defoggers ?

On Jun 7, 1:21*pm, steve <tinker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I have a 91 Civic and I will soon be shopping for a more modern used
> Civic or Corolla.
>
> There are two things I don't like about my car that I am hoping to get
> away in my new car.
>
> The first is the way the drivers side front door locks. *You have to
> pull the handle to put the locking button down. * I'm guessing this
> was meant to help people to NOT lock their keys in their car, but it
> has never prevented me from doing that. * In fact, it is almost a
> daily nuisance as a try to get out of my car and hold my bag in my
> hand at the same time.


Remote control solves this regardless of how the manual mechanism
works. Most Civics and Corollas come standard with remote door lock
control.

>
> Can this be avoided with a newer Honda?
>
> My current car does not have air conditioning. *The defogging
> mechanism sucks. * When it is raining and chilly/humid my windshield
> and other windows still fog up significantly.
>
> Will this not be the case with a car that also has air conditioning?


Correct, A/C does the de-humidifying work.

> Is there any way I can test defogging capabilities out while car
> shopping -- without having to wait for a rainy and humid day?


No. Trust us, it works just fine. However, you want to buy the car
that has the best (coldest) A/C in your price range. Check the fans
(feel the breeze) for max air movement, too. In my limited exprience,
Toyota A/C is better than Honda A/C.
>
> Thanks in advance for any info
>
> Steve


Check the prices on Accords and Camrys while you're at the
dealerships. Sometimes these cars are available at prices remarkably
close to their smaller stable mates. I found the lower insurance
premium cost for the Accord more than made up for the annual fuel cost
differential.

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Old 07 Jun 2009, 06:45 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article
<fcada745-ccd1-4d35-ab2f-40fc43fefd9d@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
ACAR <gmwohl@gmail.com> wrote:

> In my limited exprience,
> Toyota A/C is better than Honda A/C.


In general, that is true. If you want to get the better A/C without
doing a lot of legwork, just trust Toyota.

Honda has come a long way, though. Of course, they had the longest way
to come....
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Old 08 Jun 2009, 02:53 am
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <46085fd2-3621-495a-a025-ccd3fcc17c90@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> steve <tinker123@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two things I don't like about my car that I am hoping to get
>> away in my new car.
>>
>> The first is the way the drivers side front door locks. You have to
>> pull the handle to put the locking button down. I'm guessing this
>> was meant to help people to NOT lock their keys in their car, but it
>> has never prevented me from doing that. In fact, it is almost a
>> daily nuisance as a try to get out of my car and hold my bag in my
>> hand at the same time.
>>
>> Can this be avoided with a newer Honda?

>
> Yes.
>
> But I had such a beast; it became, quite literally, an unconscious move.
> Methinks you're resisting it way too hard, if it's not automatic by now.
>
>
>
>> My current car does not have air conditioning. The defogging
>> mechanism sucks.

>
> pssssst--A/C *is* the defogging mechanism. The entire purpose of A/C is
> to remove moisture from the air (most people think the purpose of A/C is
> to cool the air, but that is not the case). Without A/C, you can't
> remove moisture from the air. Hence, you don't have any sort of
> defogging mechanism.
>
> You've been operating under a misconception.



Well, someone has, anyway. Your statement will come as something of
a surprise to those living in hot, dry climates. The *actual* purpose of
AC is hinted at by the very acronym: "Air Conditioning." It's supposed
to both cool *and* dehumidify the air, in order to keep it in bearable
"condition," temperature and humidity-wise. Not one, both. It's the cold
evaporator coils that do the dehumidifying.
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Old 08 Jun 2009, 05:13 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <LB2Xl.21037$IP7.10030@newsfe23.iad>, Leftie <No@Thanks.net>
wrote:

> > pssssst--A/C *is* the defogging mechanism. The entire purpose of A/C is
> > to remove moisture from the air (most people think the purpose of A/C is
> > to cool the air, but that is not the case). Without A/C, you can't
> > remove moisture from the air. Hence, you don't have any sort of
> > defogging mechanism.
> >
> > You've been operating under a misconception.

>
>
> Well, someone has, anyway. Your statement will come as something of
> a surprise to those living in hot, dry climates. The *actual* purpose of
> AC is hinted at by the very acronym: "Air Conditioning." It's supposed
> to both cool *and* dehumidify the air, in order to keep it in bearable
> "condition," temperature and humidity-wise. Not one, both. It's the cold
> evaporator coils that do the dehumidifying.


The *main* purpose is to remove moisture, to allow the body's own
cooling mechanism to work.
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Old 08 Jun 2009, 07:30 am
Jim Yanik
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-AC14D6.06131608062009@mara100-84.onlink.net:

> In article <LB2Xl.21037$IP7.10030@newsfe23.iad>, Leftie
> <No@Thanks.net> wrote:
>
>> > pssssst--A/C *is* the defogging mechanism. The entire purpose of
>> > A/C is to remove moisture from the air (most people think the
>> > purpose of A/C is to cool the air, but that is not the case).
>> > Without A/C, you can't remove moisture from the air. Hence, you
>> > don't have any sort of defogging mechanism.
>> >
>> > You've been operating under a misconception.

>>
>>
>> Well, someone has, anyway. Your statement will come as something
>> of
>> a surprise to those living in hot, dry climates. The *actual* purpose
>> of AC is hinted at by the very acronym: "Air Conditioning." It's
>> supposed to both cool *and* dehumidify the air, in order to keep it
>> in bearable "condition," temperature and humidity-wise. Not one,
>> both. It's the cold evaporator coils that do the dehumidifying.

>
> The *main* purpose is to remove moisture, to allow the body's own
> cooling mechanism to work.
>


IMO,the intent of AC is to provide cool air,and the removal of moisture is
only a secondary effect of providing cool air.(IOW,I think you're wrong)

Remember that the hot interior of the car is not affected by moisture
content.Thus the need for -cool air-,to pull out that heat.

That is what makes you comfortable.(and keeps you from sweating heavily)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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Old 08 Jun 2009, 08:32 am
Brian Smith
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Default Re: Door Locks & Defoggers ?

Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> IMO,the intent of AC is to provide cool air,and the removal of moisture is
> only a secondary effect of providing cool air.(IOW,I think you're wrong)


The removal of humidity from the air is what causes the cooking effect.

> Remember that the hot interior of the car is not affected by moisture
> content.Thus the need for -cool air-,to pull out that heat.
>
> That is what makes you comfortable.(and keeps you from sweating heavily)


See above.

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Old 08 Jun 2009, 11:56 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <Xns9C2456ACB1ED3jyanikkuanet@74.209.136.83>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> IMO,the intent of AC is to provide cool air,and the removal of moisture is
> only a secondary effect of providing cool air.(IOW,I think you're wrong)


Cool air in and of itself is meaningless to the human body. The body's
cooling mechanism depends on its ability to evaporate moisture--and if
you have very damp air, if the dew point is low, then the moisture your
body emits as a cooling mechanism has nowhere to go. If the moisture
can't evaporate, the body can't shed heat nearly well enough.

Certainly you've had those days where the air is quite cool, but there's
a bunch of moisture; it's quite uncomfortable, isn't it?

The point of A/C is to provide an environment where the body's
evaporative cooling mechanism can work.




> That is what makes you comfortable.(and keeps you from sweating heavily)


The cool temperature of the air is secondary to the fact that the
moisture is removed. It's the removal of moisture, and that your body's
evaporative cooling mechanism is allowed to work, that makes you
comfortable.
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