Honda Car Forum

You can read about here,
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/law046_1.html or below is a
cut&paste of it.

It says that if there's no sign of any heat damage to the gear, then
as I understand it, something will be installed to increase the flow
of the tranny fluid to this secondary shaft second gear. However, if
there are signs of heat damage already, then the tranny is supposed to
be replaced.

My question is, what would you rather have done to your tranny, even
if no sign of heat damage had occurred? Does this modification sound
sufficient to prevent the gear from further possible damage? It
almost sounds like only a bandaid solution to a fundamental
design/engineering flaw in the transmission.

Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
==================
Press Release Source: American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

American Honda to Recall Certain Light Truck Vehicles to Repair
Automatic Transmissions
Wednesday April 14, 11:00 am ET

TORRANCE, Calif., April 14 /PRNewswire/ -- American Honda Motor Co.,
Inc., today announced a voluntary recall of certain Honda and Acura
light truck models equipped with V6 engines and five-speed automatic
transmissions to inspect and repair a potential defect in the
transmission.

The recall involves approximately 600,000 light trucks manufactured in
the U.S. and Canada. Affected models include certain model year 2002,
2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans; 2003 and early 2004 Honda
Pilots; and 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles.

The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the
transmission's secondary shaft second gear that can occur under
certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions
can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may
eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the
gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely
experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In
rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible
locking of the vehicle's transmission, creating a potential safety
hazard.

This more severe condition is extremely rare and affects only vehicles
with high mileage. To date, the company's records indicate only ten
confirmed instances in the United States and Canada of this type of
transmission failure, with no injuries or accidents as a result.

Owners of affected vehicles will be contacted via mail and will be
asked to take their vehicle to an authorized Honda or Acura dealer to
be repaired free of charge. In most cases, the repair involves a
simple gear inspection, which is accomplished without removing or
disassembling the transmission, and a modification to increase the
flow of transmission fluid to the affected gear. If during the
inspection the service technician discovers discoloration of the gear
indicating heat damage, Honda will replace the transmission assembly
at no cost to the customer. Owners will be notified by mail when parts
are available for their model, with notifications going first to the
oldest affected units. Customer mailings will begin in May and should
be completed by September.

Details regarding mailing dates and affected vehicles will be
available on the Honda and Acura Web sites before the end of April.
Owners will be able to access this information by registering at the
"Owner Link" section of www.honda.com or www.acura.com and entering
the 17-digit vehicle identification number found on the driver's side
dashboard near the bottom edge of the windshield.

Customers concerned about the condition of their vehicle may also
contact their local Honda or Acura dealer, or call Honda customer
service at (800) 999-1009 or Acura customer service at (800) 382-2238.

Troll somewhere else jerk.




"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote in message
news:175u70p7kd8eurg2523ddu2nolidos655u@4ax.com...
> You can read about here,
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/law046_1.html or below is a
> cut&paste of it.
>
> It says that if there's no sign of any heat damage to the gear, then
> as I understand it, something will be installed to increase the flow
> of the tranny fluid to this secondary shaft second gear. However, if
> there are signs of heat damage already, then the tranny is supposed to
> be replaced.
>
> My question is, what would you rather have done to your tranny, even
> if no sign of heat damage had occurred? Does this modification sound
> sufficient to prevent the gear from further possible damage? It
> almost sounds like only a bandaid solution to a fundamental
> design/engineering flaw in the transmission.
>
> Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
> no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
> ==================
> Press Release Source: American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
>
> American Honda to Recall Certain Light Truck Vehicles to Repair
> Automatic Transmissions
> Wednesday April 14, 11:00 am ET
>
> TORRANCE, Calif., April 14 /PRNewswire/ -- American Honda Motor Co.,
> Inc., today announced a voluntary recall of certain Honda and Acura
> light truck models equipped with V6 engines and five-speed automatic
> transmissions to inspect and repair a potential defect in the
> transmission.
>
> The recall involves approximately 600,000 light trucks manufactured in
> the U.S. and Canada. Affected models include certain model year 2002,
> 2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans; 2003 and early 2004 Honda
> Pilots; and 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles.
>
> The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the
> transmission's secondary shaft second gear that can occur under
> certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions
> can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may
> eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the
> gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely
> experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In
> rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible
> locking of the vehicle's transmission, creating a potential safety
> hazard.
>
> This more severe condition is extremely rare and affects only vehicles
> with high mileage. To date, the company's records indicate only ten
> confirmed instances in the United States and Canada of this type of
> transmission failure, with no injuries or accidents as a result.
>
> Owners of affected vehicles will be contacted via mail and will be
> asked to take their vehicle to an authorized Honda or Acura dealer to
> be repaired free of charge. In most cases, the repair involves a
> simple gear inspection, which is accomplished without removing or
> disassembling the transmission, and a modification to increase the
> flow of transmission fluid to the affected gear. If during the
> inspection the service technician discovers discoloration of the gear
> indicating heat damage, Honda will replace the transmission assembly
> at no cost to the customer. Owners will be notified by mail when parts
> are available for their model, with notifications going first to the
> oldest affected units. Customer mailings will begin in May and should
> be completed by September.
>
> Details regarding mailing dates and affected vehicles will be
> available on the Honda and Acura Web sites before the end of April.
> Owners will be able to access this information by registering at the
> "Owner Link" section of www.honda.com or www.acura.com and entering
> the 17-digit vehicle identification number found on the driver's side
> dashboard near the bottom edge of the windshield.
>
> Customers concerned about the condition of their vehicle may also
> contact their local Honda or Acura dealer, or call Honda customer
> service at (800) 999-1009 or Acura customer service at (800) 382-2238.

sorry Willy ... it's legit...
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1081939370150


"DocWilly" <wetwillywill@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:udydnZFsCsWituLdRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> Troll somewhere else jerk.
>
>
>
>
> "Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote in message
> news:175u70p7kd8eurg2523ddu2nolidos655u@4ax.com...
> > You can read about here,
> > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/law046_1.html or below is a
> > cut&paste of it.
> >
> > It says that if there's no sign of any heat damage to the gear, then
> > as I understand it, something will be installed to increase the flow
> > of the tranny fluid to this secondary shaft second gear. However, if
> > there are signs of heat damage already, then the tranny is supposed to
> > be replaced.
> >
> > My question is, what would you rather have done to your tranny, even
> > if no sign of heat damage had occurred? Does this modification sound
> > sufficient to prevent the gear from further possible damage? It
> > almost sounds like only a bandaid solution to a fundamental
> > design/engineering flaw in the transmission.
> >
> > Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
> > no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
> > ==================
> > Press Release Source: American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
> >
> > American Honda to Recall Certain Light Truck Vehicles to Repair
> > Automatic Transmissions
> > Wednesday April 14, 11:00 am ET
> >
> > TORRANCE, Calif., April 14 /PRNewswire/ -- American Honda Motor Co.,
> > Inc., today announced a voluntary recall of certain Honda and Acura
> > light truck models equipped with V6 engines and five-speed automatic
> > transmissions to inspect and repair a potential defect in the
> > transmission.
> >
> > The recall involves approximately 600,000 light trucks manufactured in
> > the U.S. and Canada. Affected models include certain model year 2002,
> > 2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans; 2003 and early 2004 Honda
> > Pilots; and 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles.
> >
> > The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the
> > transmission's secondary shaft second gear that can occur under
> > certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions
> > can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may
> > eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the
> > gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely
> > experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In
> > rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible
> > locking of the vehicle's transmission, creating a potential safety
> > hazard.
> >
> > This more severe condition is extremely rare and affects only vehicles
> > with high mileage. To date, the company's records indicate only ten
> > confirmed instances in the United States and Canada of this type of
> > transmission failure, with no injuries or accidents as a result.
> >
> > Owners of affected vehicles will be contacted via mail and will be
> > asked to take their vehicle to an authorized Honda or Acura dealer to
> > be repaired free of charge. In most cases, the repair involves a
> > simple gear inspection, which is accomplished without removing or
> > disassembling the transmission, and a modification to increase the
> > flow of transmission fluid to the affected gear. If during the
> > inspection the service technician discovers discoloration of the gear
> > indicating heat damage, Honda will replace the transmission assembly
> > at no cost to the customer. Owners will be notified by mail when parts
> > are available for their model, with notifications going first to the
> > oldest affected units. Customer mailings will begin in May and should
> > be completed by September.
> >
> > Details regarding mailing dates and affected vehicles will be
> > available on the Honda and Acura Web sites before the end of April.
> > Owners will be able to access this information by registering at the
> > "Owner Link" section of www.honda.com or www.acura.com and entering
> > the 17-digit vehicle identification number found on the driver's side
> > dashboard near the bottom edge of the windshield.
> >
> > Customers concerned about the condition of their vehicle may also
> > contact their local Honda or Acura dealer, or call Honda customer
> > service at (800) 999-1009 or Acura customer service at (800) 382-2238.
>
>


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On 4/15/04 6:20 PM, in article 175u70p7kd8eurg2523ddu2nolidos655u@4ax.com,
"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote:

> You can read about here,
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040414/law046_1.html or below is a
> cut&paste of it.
>
> It says that if there's no sign of any heat damage to the gear, then
> as I understand it, something will be installed to increase the flow
> of the tranny fluid to this secondary shaft second gear. However, if
> there are signs of heat damage already, then the tranny is supposed to
> be replaced.
>
> My question is, what would you rather have done to your tranny, even
> if no sign of heat damage had occurred? Does this modification sound
> sufficient to prevent the gear from further possible damage? It
> almost sounds like only a bandaid solution to a fundamental
> design/engineering flaw in the transmission.
>
> Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
> no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.


If its my car, I would opt for the repair rather than a whole transmission
replacement, but only for the reason that I do not trust them to do the job
right.

Think about it. They have to disconnect everything, take out the engine and
trans, attach the new trans to the engine and then put it all back,
reconnect everything and tie it all back down. The odds of doing it right
the first time without screwing up something or forgetting to reconnect
something, or forgetting to tighten something have to be pretty close to
zero, especially given that dealership mechanics are expected to do
everything in about half the prescribed time.


> ==================
> Press Release Source: American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
>
> American Honda to Recall Certain Light Truck Vehicles to Repair
> Automatic Transmissions
> Wednesday April 14, 11:00 am ET
>
> TORRANCE, Calif., April 14 /PRNewswire/ -- American Honda Motor Co.,
> Inc., today announced a voluntary recall of certain Honda and Acura
> light truck models equipped with V6 engines and five-speed automatic
> transmissions to inspect and repair a potential defect in the
> transmission.
>
> The recall involves approximately 600,000 light trucks manufactured in
> the U.S. and Canada. Affected models include certain model year 2002,
> 2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans; 2003 and early 2004 Honda
> Pilots; and 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles.
>
> The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the
> transmission's secondary shaft second gear that can occur under
> certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions
> can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may
> eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the
> gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely
> experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In
> rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible
> locking of the vehicle's transmission, creating a potential safety
> hazard.
>
> This more severe condition is extremely rare and affects only vehicles
> with high mileage. To date, the company's records indicate only ten
> confirmed instances in the United States and Canada of this type of
> transmission failure, with no injuries or accidents as a result.
>
> Owners of affected vehicles will be contacted via mail and will be
> asked to take their vehicle to an authorized Honda or Acura dealer to
> be repaired free of charge. In most cases, the repair involves a
> simple gear inspection, which is accomplished without removing or
> disassembling the transmission, and a modification to increase the
> flow of transmission fluid to the affected gear. If during the
> inspection the service technician discovers discoloration of the gear
> indicating heat damage, Honda will replace the transmission assembly
> at no cost to the customer. Owners will be notified by mail when parts
> are available for their model, with notifications going first to the
> oldest affected units. Customer mailings will begin in May and should
> be completed by September.
>
> Details regarding mailing dates and affected vehicles will be
> available on the Honda and Acura Web sites before the end of April.
> Owners will be able to access this information by registering at the
> "Owner Link" section of www.honda.com or www.acura.com and entering
> the 17-digit vehicle identification number found on the driver's side
> dashboard near the bottom edge of the windshield.
>
> Customers concerned about the condition of their vehicle may also
> contact their local Honda or Acura dealer, or call Honda customer
> service at (800) 999-1009 or Acura customer service at (800) 382-2238.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:53:35 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>> Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
>> no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
>
>
>If its my car, I would opt for the repair rather than a whole transmission
>replacement, but only for the reason that I do not trust them to do the job
>right.
>
>Think about it. They have to disconnect everything, take out the engine and
>trans, attach the new trans to the engine and then put it all back,
>reconnect everything and tie it all back down. The odds of doing it right
>the first time without screwing up something or forgetting to reconnect
>something, or forgetting to tighten something have to be pretty close to
>zero, especially given that dealership mechanics are expected to do
>everything in about half the prescribed time.

Mr. Meyer, as always, thanks for your insight. Really appreciate it.

Wow, you got your foot in your mouth yet? Or is your boyfriend's dick
getting in the way?

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:39:28 -0400, "DocWilly"
<wetwillywill@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:

>Troll somewhere else jerk.

I don't get it, he didn't even bother to check out the I provided.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:50:30 GMT, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back>
wrote:

>sorry Willy ... it's legit...
>http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1081939370150

Its not your decision, right? You can ask, but there's no point in doing so
because Acura is not going to pay the incredibly high parts & labor costs
associated with replacing a transmission simply because you would prefer
that they do so. And, for the same reasons as Acura, YOU are not going to
pay to have it done either.
So, what's the point of asking?



"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote in message
news:csc0809du5qnrje4bfj4f5gukm86cmc0hq@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:53:35 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
> >"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >> Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
> >> no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
> >
> >
> >If its my car, I would opt for the repair rather than a whole
transmission
> >replacement, but only for the reason that I do not trust them to do the
job
> >right.
> >
> >Think about it. They have to disconnect everything, take out the engine
and
> >trans, attach the new trans to the engine and then put it all back,
> >reconnect everything and tie it all back down. The odds of doing it
right
> >the first time without screwing up something or forgetting to reconnect
> >something, or forgetting to tighten something have to be pretty close to
> >zero, especially given that dealership mechanics are expected to do
> >everything in about half the prescribed time.
>
> Mr. Meyer, as always, thanks for your insight. Really appreciate it.

There is nobody more qualified to replace your transmission than a
dealership mechanic, God knows they replace enough of them. With a Honda
trans, the rule of thumb is "if you have a good one, dont screw with it"
the remanufactured, not new, teansmission trhat yours will be repalced with
was someone elses bad one. Honda's remanufacturing dept leaves something to
be desired in this area. The risk is not the skill of the tech but the
quality of the part.
"Bruce" <ftp@anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:%G%kc.2686$V97.977@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Its not your decision, right? You can ask, but there's no point in doing
so
> because Acura is not going to pay the incredibly high parts & labor costs
> associated with replacing a transmission simply because you would prefer
> that they do so. And, for the same reasons as Acura, YOU are not going to
> pay to have it done either.
> So, what's the point of asking?
>
>
>
> "Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote in message
> news:csc0809du5qnrje4bfj4f5gukm86cmc0hq@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:53:35 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> > >> Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even if
> > >> no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >If its my car, I would opt for the repair rather than a whole
> transmission
> > >replacement, but only for the reason that I do not trust them to do the
> job
> > >right.
> > >
> > >Think about it. They have to disconnect everything, take out the engine
> and
> > >trans, attach the new trans to the engine and then put it all back,
> > >reconnect everything and tie it all back down. The odds of doing it
> right
> > >the first time without screwing up something or forgetting to reconnect
> > >something, or forgetting to tighten something have to be pretty close
to
> > >zero, especially given that dealership mechanics are expected to do
> > >everything in about half the prescribed time.
> >
> > Mr. Meyer, as always, thanks for your insight. Really appreciate it.
>
>

they will generally replace the transmission over 50,000....there is a
special camera they use to inspect the gear if over 15,000 miles...otherwise
they just install the oil jet kit and be done with it.

"George Pennington" <gfpennington@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Yv0mc.65066$Vp5.58891@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> There is nobody more qualified to replace your transmission than a
> dealership mechanic, God knows they replace enough of them. With a Honda
> trans, the rule of thumb is "if you have a good one, dont screw with it"
> the remanufactured, not new, teansmission trhat yours will be repalced
with
> was someone elses bad one. Honda's remanufacturing dept leaves something
to
> be desired in this area. The risk is not the skill of the tech but the
> quality of the part.
> "Bruce" <ftp@anonymous.com> wrote in message
> news:%G%kc.2686$V97.977@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> > Its not your decision, right? You can ask, but there's no point in doing
> so
> > because Acura is not going to pay the incredibly high parts & labor
costs
> > associated with replacing a transmission simply because you would prefer
> > that they do so. And, for the same reasons as Acura, YOU are not going
to
> > pay to have it done either.
> > So, what's the point of asking?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote in message
> > news:csc0809du5qnrje4bfj4f5gukm86cmc0hq@4ax.com...
> > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:53:35 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Steve Lee" <gua@comole.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > [snip]
> > > >> Would you guys rather have the tranny replaced in this case, even
if
> > > >> no sign of damage was showing? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >If its my car, I would opt for the repair rather than a whole
> > transmission
> > > >replacement, but only for the reason that I do not trust them to do
the
> > job
> > > >right.
> > > >
> > > >Think about it. They have to disconnect everything, take out the
engine
> > and
> > > >trans, attach the new trans to the engine and then put it all back,
> > > >reconnect everything and tie it all back down. The odds of doing it
> > right
> > > >the first time without screwing up something or forgetting to
reconnect
> > > >something, or forgetting to tighten something have to be pretty close
> to
> > > >zero, especially given that dealership mechanics are expected to do
> > > >everything in about half the prescribed time.
> > >
> > > Mr. Meyer, as always, thanks for your insight. Really appreciate it.
> >
> >
>
>