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Old 12 May 2009, 07:11 am
Jack Benny
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Default To rotate or not to rotate

I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
charge in the first place? I am bewildered.
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Old 12 May 2009, 09:30 am
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"Jack Benny" <pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
> it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
> change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
> them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
> When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
> tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
> I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
> evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
> kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
> charge in the first place? I am bewildered.



Right, rotating tires is to even out uneven wear. If you have zero uneven
wear, then what are you accomplishing by doing a rotation? Nothing to be
gained. On the other hand, disrupting things could cause a problem.

Others may disagree. But I am very conscience of my alignment and never
rotate my tires and have no uneven tire wear.

As for what type of shop turns down an easy $25 charge? The answer would be
a reputable one.

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Old 12 May 2009, 01:21 pm
Clive
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In message <n8pi05lsnfoj0quvlbp6bid140020vm35k@4ax.com>, Jack Benny
<pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> writes
>I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
>it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
>change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
>them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
>When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
>tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
>I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
>evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
>kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
>charge in the first place? I am bewildered.

It must be twenty years since new advice came out from the Japanese
makers, do not rotate tyres this only accelerates wear. Just how far
behind the rest of the world are the Merkins?
--
Clive
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Old 12 May 2009, 05:10 pm
Charlie Darwin
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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jack Benny" <pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> wrote in message
> news:n8pi05lsnfoj0quvlbp6bid140020vm35k@4ax.com...
>>I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
>> it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
>> change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
>> them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
>> When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
>> tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
>> I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
>> evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
>> kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
>> charge in the first place? I am bewildered.

>
>
> Right, rotating tires is to even out uneven wear. If you have zero uneven
> wear, then what are you accomplishing by doing a rotation? Nothing to be
> gained. On the other hand, disrupting things could cause a problem.
>
> Others may disagree. But I am very conscience of my alignment and never
> rotate my tires and have no uneven tire wear.
>
> As for what type of shop turns down an easy $25 charge? The answer would
> be a reputable one.
>


I'm not sure you come out ahead cost wise paying $25 a pop to rotate tires
regularly vs. just getting a few thousand less miles on unrotated ones and
replacing them a little earlier.


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Old 12 May 2009, 05:50 pm
Seth
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"Charlie Darwin" <chas@beagleno.net> wrote in message
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> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:guc164$s10$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> "Jack Benny" <pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> wrote in message
>> news:n8pi05lsnfoj0quvlbp6bid140020vm35k@4ax.com...
>>>I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
>>> it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
>>> change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
>>> them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
>>> When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
>>> tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
>>> I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
>>> evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
>>> kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
>>> charge in the first place? I am bewildered.

>>
>>
>> Right, rotating tires is to even out uneven wear. If you have zero
>> uneven wear, then what are you accomplishing by doing a rotation?
>> Nothing to be gained. On the other hand, disrupting things could cause a
>> problem.
>>
>> Others may disagree. But I am very conscience of my alignment and never
>> rotate my tires and have no uneven tire wear.
>>
>> As for what type of shop turns down an easy $25 charge? The answer would
>> be a reputable one.
>>

>
> I'm not sure you come out ahead cost wise paying $25 a pop to rotate tires
> regularly vs. just getting a few thousand less miles on unrotated ones and
> replacing them a little earlier.



I'm not advocating tire rotation...

On the one hand, costs aside, uneven tire wear can be a safety hazard so
there is money to be saved by doing it in avoiding accidents.

But again, rotating tires is a band aid on a different problem. What is
causing uneven tire wear? For some it could just be from being too heavy on
the gas and brake pedals (front to back differences in tire wear). Uneven
tire wear on different sides of vehicle could be alignment.

Me, I don't rotate my tires and haven't seen evidence that I need to (my
side to side wear is even). I replace my tires 2 at a time replacing the
rears with the fronts and new tires up front. So yeah, a little bit of a
rotation cycle, but that's it.

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Old 12 May 2009, 06:34 pm
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If they show signs of uneven wear it is time to find out what part of the
suspension is out of wack. Rotating has become common since front wheel
drive. By regular rotation tire wear is even on all four tires. Without
rotation front tires wear out faster so when it is time to change you have
two good tires and two worn out tires. Rotating in the correct sequence also
helps wear on all four tires even which improves handling and gets you the
maximum miles on a set of tires.

"Jack Benny" <pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> wrote in message
news:n8pi05lsnfoj0quvlbp6bid140020vm35k@4ax.com...
> I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
> it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
> change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
> them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
> When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
> tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
> I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
> evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
> kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
> charge in the first place? I am bewildered.


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Old 12 May 2009, 06:44 pm
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FWIW

I try to buy tires 4 at a time, when I'm more likely to find a discount
($ off per set, buy-3-get-1, etc.). Since every FWD car I've owned has
worn the fronts faster than rears, I usually wind up doing 2~3 front <->
back rotations over the life of the tires.
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Old 12 May 2009, 10:26 pm
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Woody wrote:
> If they show signs of uneven wear it is time to find out what part of
> the suspension is out of wack. Rotating has become common since front
> wheel drive. By regular rotation tire wear is even on all four tires.
> Without rotation front tires wear out faster so when it is time to
> change you have two good tires and two worn out tires. Rotating in the
> correct sequence also helps wear on all four tires even which improves
> handling and gets you the maximum miles on a set of tires.
>
> "Jack Benny" <pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> wrote in message
> news:n8pi05lsnfoj0quvlbp6bid140020vm35k@4ax.com...
>> I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
>> it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
>> change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
>> them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
>> When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
>> tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
>> I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
>> evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
>> kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
>> charge in the first place? I am bewildered.

>


but driving on freshly rotated tires also causes you to have less rubber
on the ground because of the wear patterns. chalk a piece of smooth
surface, then drive a freshly rotated tire over it and look to see for
yourself.

this is why, as stated by others, many japanese, and also many european
vehicle manufacturers, do /not/ recommend rotations. indeed, on many
vehicles with different tire sizes front and rear, and directional
tires, you can't!
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Old 13 May 2009, 08:58 am
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In article <9FK0mkzc4bCKFw1A@yewbank.demon.co.uk>,
Clive <Clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <n8pi05lsnfoj0quvlbp6bid140020vm35k@4ax.com>, Jack Benny
> <pkline_no_spam@ltdcommodities.com> writes
> >I have a 2008 Civic with about 13,500 miles. A few weeks ago I took
> >it into the local dealer because the maint mider was indication oil
> >change so I asked for the oil change and a tire rotation. I'd had
> >them rotated at about 6,800 when the last oil change was called for.
> >When I got the car back the service person said they didn't totate the
> >tires for me "because there were no signs of wear yet'.
> >I thought that was the whole idea of rotating tires, so that they wear
> >evenly and you don't see "signs of wear" for a longer time. And what
> >kind of dealer service outfit turns down an easy twenty five dollar
> >charge in the first place? I am bewildered.

> It must be twenty years since new advice came out from the Japanese
> makers, do not rotate tyres this only accelerates wear. Just how far
> behind the rest of the world are the Merkins?


Where do you get your erroneous information? Honda still includes tire
rotation as a maintenance item. The following is from the Honda website
for the current Accord:

"The Maintenance Minder(TM) tracks services on a mileage basis such as the
miles between changes to the air filter, spark plugs, coolant and tire
rotation. In addition, engine sensors detect driving conditions to
recommend when an oil change is recommended and send that information to
the Maintenance Minder."
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Old 13 May 2009, 12:55 pm
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In message <nL-dnbaTl5qIT5fXnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com>, Diogenes
<sinope@congress.gov> writes
>> It must be twenty years since new advice came out from the Japanese
>> makers, do not rotate tyres this only accelerates wear. Just how far
>> behind the rest of the world are the Merkins?

>
>Where do you get your erroneous information? Honda still includes tire
>rotation as a maintenance item. The following is from the Honda website
>for the current Accord:

My advice comes from the Nissan N16 workshop manual, there is no higher
authority.
--
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