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"Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in
news:gt5tuv$t4m$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9BF7AF2AE4075tegger@208.90.168.18...
>> "GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote in
>> news:4vGdnYMZXZwGdGzUnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@posted.toast net:
>>
>>>
>>> Michelle claims her 1-ton hybrid is strong than my 2-ton car. Now
>>> we know who tells the truth. Until you're involved with a FATAL
>>> accident first, you'll learn Hybrid Isn't worth.
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...prius&aq=f&oq=
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Why single out the Prius? The market is full of cars in the
>> Prius/Yaris's size class.
>>
>> And are you telling me your 4,000 pound car gets 150mpg?
>>
> The Prius is not in the class of the Yaris. It is between a Corolla
> and a Camry.
>
>


It's based on the Yaris platform.


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Tegger

In article <Xns9BFB456086284tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:

> > The Prius is not in the class of the Yaris. It is between a Corolla
> > and a Camry.
> >
> >
>
>
> It's based on the Yaris platform.

maybe, but man oh man, is the Prius big inside.

Not only that, it turns on a dime and gives eight cents' change.

Toyota done good with the Prius.

For the record, I drove in my Prius last week over to my Honda dealer,
where I drove an Insight. Honda shamelessly copied the entire Prius
concept, right down to the CRX-like backlight and the electric-operated
hatch release.

However, the Insight was noticeably not as comfortable as the Prius. It
was lower down and that much harder to ingress/egress (Honda loves low
cars, and that will bite them in the ass as the bulk of the baby boomers
come of retirement age), and the NON-ADUSTABLE headrest actively shoved
my head forward--which was an absolute deal-killer. It was the most
uncomfortable driving position I can ever remember in ANY car, and
absolutely shameful in a Honda.

The back seat was noticeably smaller than the Prius as well. I know
that was OK back when Honda thought they would sell at a price
significantly less than the Prius, but that won't happen now--and the
smaller car with lower fuel economy is not a good thing.

I got back into the Prius and it was like getting back into an old pair
of comfortable shoes, or your favorite recliner--it just fit. In fact,
getting back into my Prius reminded me of when I first got into the 92
Civic Si on the showroom floor--"ah, this is home, it feels exactly like
it should". I bought that Si on the spot. I *know* that Honda knows
how to do it; what's shameful is that they didn't do it on the Insight.

I have an 07 base Prius--the model that you can't get off a dealer's
lot, the one that has to be ordered because it's as base as a Prius gets
and no dealer orders them that way. I am perfectly happy with that car
and its level of equipment. Toyota's current plan is to sell the "Prius
I", I presume equipped minimally like mine, to fight the Insight at
roughly the Insight price.

If Toyota follows through and sells such a car at the same price as the
Insight, either Toyota will decimate Insight sales or else the Insight
will end up selling for significantly less than what Honda planned.

Dear Honda: shame, shame, SHAME on you for the Insight.

On 4/28/09 6:16 AM, in article
elmop-93E01B.07163128042009@mara100-84.onlink.net, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9BFB456086284tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>>> The Prius is not in the class of the Yaris. It is between a Corolla
>>> and a Camry.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's based on the Yaris platform.
>
> maybe, but man oh man, is the Prius big inside.
>
> Not only that, it turns on a dime and gives eight cents' change.
>
> Toyota done good with the Prius.
>

You have got to be kidding. My daughter, who was used to driving her '97
Infiniti i30t got a Prius rental one time. The first tight curve she
encountered it almost flew off the road. Wallowed like a '60 Cadillac.
Worst handling I've seen in a small car. If you think the Prius turns on a
dime, you must be used to Mack trucks.

On 2009-04-28 07:56:59 -0700, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> said:

>
>
>
> On 4/28/09 6:16 AM, in article
> elmop-93E01B.07163128042009@mara100-84.onlink.net, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9BFB456086284tegger@208.90.168.18>,
>> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>
>>>> The Prius is not in the class of the Yaris. It is between a Corolla
>>>> and a Camry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's based on the Yaris platform.
>>
>> maybe, but man oh man, is the Prius big inside.
>>
>> Not only that, it turns on a dime and gives eight cents' change.
>>
>> Toyota done good with the Prius.
>>
>
> You have got to be kidding. My daughter, who was used to driving her '97
> Infiniti i30t got a Prius rental one time. The first tight curve she
> encountered it almost flew off the road. Wallowed like a '60 Cadillac.
> Worst handling I've seen in a small car. If you think the Prius turns on a
> dime, you must be used to Mack trucks.

All too true. I've never driven a vehicle of that size that handled
worse than my sister-in-law's Prius.

--
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is the duty of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for
their rulers.� -- SCOTUS Chief Justice John Lay, 1816

"Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
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> All too true. I've never driven a vehicle of that size that handled worse
> than my sister-in-law's Prius.
>
You should drive my Explorer. My Prius handles much better than it does.

I couldn't help but notice that both you and Meyer refer to cars you neither
own nor drive regularily. As with any car, it takes a few miles and a few
curves to adjust.

"Was Istoben" <entshuldigen@oopla.com> wrote in message
news:49f77382@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:gt7868$qe3$2@news.albasani.net...
>> All too true. I've never driven a vehicle of that size that handled
>> worse than my sister-in-law's Prius.
>>
> You should drive my Explorer. My Prius handles much better than it does.
>
> I couldn't help but notice that both you and Meyer refer to cars you
> neither own nor drive regularily. As with any car, it takes a few miles
> and a few curves to adjust.
>
>

Yikes. These handling complaints seem very abnormal. I have never seen a
handling problem with any of the Prius cars I have driven. I'd suspect the
tires were under-inflated

"Al Sherman" <als62@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:gt7t9j$p6q$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen@oopla.com> wrote in message
> news:49f77382@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>
>> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
>> news:gt7868$qe3$2@news.albasani.net...
>>> All too true. I've never driven a vehicle of that size that handled
>>> worse than my sister-in-law's Prius.
>>>
>> You should drive my Explorer. My Prius handles much better than it does.
>>
>> I couldn't help but notice that both you and Meyer refer to cars you
>> neither own nor drive regularily. As with any car, it takes a few miles
>> and a few curves to adjust.
>>
>>
>
> Yikes. These handling complaints seem very abnormal. I have never seen a
> handling problem with any of the Prius cars I have driven. I'd suspect
> the tires were under-inflated
An over-inflated ego will do it too, especially taking a curve too fast.

In article <gt7t9j$p6q$1@news.albasani.net>,
"Al Sherman" <als62@rcn.com> wrote:

> Yikes. These handling complaints seem very abnormal. I have never
> seen a handling problem with any of the Prius cars I have driven.
> I'd suspect the tires were under-inflated

My suspicions are more focused on the veracity of the reporters than on
the reports.

--
It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to America.

On 2009-04-28 14:22:05 -0700, "Was Istoben" <entshuldigen@oopla.com> said:

>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:gt7868$qe3$2@news.albasani.net...
>> All too true. I've never driven a vehicle of that size that handled
>> worse than my sister-in-law's Prius.
>>
> You should drive my Explorer. My Prius handles much better than it does.
>
> I couldn't help but notice that both you and Meyer refer to cars you
> neither own nor drive regularily. As with any car, it takes a few
> miles and a few curves to adjust.

That truly depends on one's driving skills.

--
"The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from
the hand of God." -- John F. Kennedy

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-93E01B.07163128042009@mara100-84.onlink.net:

> In article <Xns9BFB456086284tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>> > The Prius is not in the class of the Yaris. It is between a Corolla
>> > and a Camry.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> It's based on the Yaris platform.
>
> maybe, but man oh man, is the Prius big inside.
>
> Not only that, it turns on a dime and gives eight cents' change.
>
> Toyota done good with the Prius.
>
> For the record, I drove in my Prius last week over to my Honda dealer,
> where I drove an Insight. Honda shamelessly copied the entire Prius
> concept, right down to the CRX-like backlight and the
> electric-operated hatch release.



That was quite deliberate. Honda's marketing people had a bit of egg on
their faces as a consequence of the original Insight's
"bad-science-fiction-movie" looks and 2-seater capacity.

Every time I see an original Insight, I'm reminded of Woody Allen's
"Sleeper".



>
> However, the Insight was noticeably not as comfortable as the Prius.
> It was lower down and that much harder to ingress/egress (Honda loves
> low cars, and that will bite them in the ass as the bulk of the baby
> boomers come of retirement age), and the NON-ADUSTABLE headrest
> actively shoved my head forward--which was an absolute deal-killer.
> It was the most uncomfortable driving position I can ever remember in
> ANY car, and absolutely shameful in a Honda.
>
> The back seat was noticeably smaller than the Prius as well. I know
> that was OK back when Honda thought they would sell at a price
> significantly less than the Prius, but that won't happen now--and the
> smaller car with lower fuel economy is not a good thing.



Honda, as a matter of principle, has designed and priced the new Insight
to take on the Prius head-to-head.

Unfortunately, you can't get blood from a stone -- and the Prius is a
very expensively-built stone -- so a lot of corner-cutting had to be
done to get the Insight below the Prius in price but still allow Honda
something less than a bloodbath at P&L time.

Check out the Insight's interior next time you're in a Honda dealership;
it's about as well-built as a 1987 Lada.



>
> I got back into the Prius and it was like getting back into an old
> pair of comfortable shoes, or your favorite recliner--it just fit. In
> fact, getting back into my Prius reminded me of when I first got into
> the 92 Civic Si on the showroom floor--"ah, this is home, it feels
> exactly like it should". I bought that Si on the spot. I *know* that
> Honda knows how to do it; what's shameful is that they didn't do it on
> the Insight.
>
> I have an 07 base Prius--the model that you can't get off a dealer's
> lot, the one that has to be ordered because it's as base as a Prius
> gets and no dealer orders them that way. I am perfectly happy with
> that car and its level of equipment. Toyota's current plan is to sell
> the "Prius I", I presume equipped minimally like mine, to fight the
> Insight at roughly the Insight price.



Toyota originally just barely broke even on the Prius (provided you
didn't count development costs). I suspect they're losing their shirts
now, as will Honda with the new Insight.



>
> If Toyota follows through and sells such a car at the same price as
> the Insight, either Toyota will decimate Insight sales or else the
> Insight will end up selling for significantly less than what Honda
> planned.
>
> Dear Honda: shame, shame, SHAME on you for the Insight.



Hybrids are an awfully expensive way to save money on gas. They never
made sense at all. You can tell they never made sense: Nobody's buying
them any more.

Roll back "safety" regulations back to what they were in 1988, and you
could have another Civic HF: Better mileage than the Prius, at a /much/
lower cost.



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