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Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote in news:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:

> Tegger wrote:
>> honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
>> 9efb77fbc04a@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>>> leach on society.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>> use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>
>>
>
> Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
> aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
> were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
> wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...



"Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
activists and politicians. They are not true costs.

Now if you want to remove the SUBSIDIES from petroleum so the TRUE costs
are reflected in the pump price, I would wholeheartedly agree with that.


--
Tegger

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In article
<7cf61074-5558-4b92-8d29-8515700e0533@w35g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:

> It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.

Name 10.

OK, I'll make it easy: name 5.

Now name 5 that people want as their sole car, to do everything from
grocery runs to driving over the mountains and through the snow to see
their parents/children, or to take their children to see grandma.

On Apr 26, 2:52 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote innews:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:
>
>
>
> > Tegger wrote:
> >> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
> >> 9efb77fbc...@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
> >>> leach on society.
>
> >> I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
> >> use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>
> > Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
> > aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
> > were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
> > wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...
>
> "Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
> activists and politicians. They are not true costs.

You need to google on this. Chevron, Exxon and the like pay a lot of
money in several ways to cover environmental costs.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.
>
> Name 10.

Why isn't one enough? Make sense or be ignored.

Tegger wrote:
> Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote in news:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>>honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
>>>9efb77fbc04a@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>>>>leach on society.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>>>use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
>>aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
>>were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
>>wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...
>
>
>
>
> "Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
> activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>
> Now if you want to remove the SUBSIDIES from petroleum so the TRUE costs
> are reflected in the pump price, I would wholeheartedly agree with that.


Thank You for an ounce of sanity here.

"The sky is falling" zealots have move far beyond environmentalism on to
promoting the same as a religion.

Just to balance things out, I think I'll go for a forty mile drive in my
'55 President sedan that only gets about 25mpg...

<G>

JT

honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:

> On Apr 26, 2:52 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>>Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote innews:fn2Jl.43931$gC1.4585@newsfe19.iad:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tegger wrote:
>>>
>>>>honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote in news:e30b4f2b-c43f-4f86-9da5-
>>>>9efb77fbc...@l16g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>>>>>leach on society.
>>
>>>>I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>>>>use. Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>
>>> Not that I necessarily agree with the 'leech' comment, but you
>>>aren't paying the full cost of gasoline. If all environmental costs
>>>were added in, *you'd* be driving that 65mpg scooter, because you
>>>wouldn't be able to afford gas for anything else...
>>
>>"Environmental costs" are invented and quantified by the capricious whim of
>>activists and politicians. They are not true costs.
>
>
> You need to google on this. Chevron, Exxon and the like pay a lot of
> money in several ways to cover environmental costs.
>


I think that is what he's saying... The associated "environmental"
costs are unneeded add ons encouraged by government etc.

JT

"jim beam" <retard-finger@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 10:41 am, "Pszemol" <Psze...@PolBox.com> wrote:
>>> <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Why 35mpg and not 55mpg?
>>>> Because 35 is easily obtained today.
>>> Easier maybe for you bot not for everybody.
>>
>> It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.
>> We disagree.
>
> why are you bothering with this guy? you'd get more sense from an
> a.l.i.c.e. bot.

Jim, what's your problem?

<honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 26, 10:38 am, "Pszemol" <Psze...@PolBox.com> wrote:
>> <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c2e25a43-2e5b-4d15-b712-f2d5ef1ae5c2@f1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Apr 26, 9:01 am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> >> honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote
>> >> > Anyone driving a coupe or sedan that gets less than 35 mpg is a
>> >> > leach
>> >> > on society.
>>
>> >> I disagree, since I pay full retail dollar for every ounce of fuel I
>> >> use.
>> >> Nobody's giving me the gas at their expense.
>>
>> > I meant that excessive use of oil promotes war and environmental
>> > problems.
>>
>> Then move out from the city and live in a cave in the mountains!
>
> I do not see how your answer reduces oil use.

Really? Now you use one gallon for every mile you drive.
If you move out of the city and start living in the mountains
you will not use any oil, so it will reduce oil use :-)

In article <Sr4Jl.166632$4m1.77999@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote:

> "The sky is falling" zealots have move far beyond environmentalism on to
> promoting the same as a religion.

Follow the money....always follow the money.

Sure, there are plenty of kookbiscuits to beat the shrubs, but the guy
handing out the bats has a financial interest and nothing BUT a
financial interest.

In article
<9d76198d-89f3-487e-9719-1973bd8a8a33@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
honda.lioness@gmail.com wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > honda.lion...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > It is an easy matter to buy a coupe or sedan that gets 35 mpg or more.
> >
> > Name 10.
>
> Why isn't one enough? Make sense or be ignored.

If it's an "EASY matter" then there must be choice involved.

If there's no choice involved--that is, if there's only one--then it's
not easy. It's like Russia during the cold war. You want something?
We have one--whether you like it or not.

Now YOU make sense or be ignored. Name 5 coupes/sedans that get 35mpg
or more. We'll start with the easy part.

Then we'll move on to "name 5 that people want as their sole car".
Because as you know, it doesn't make sense to have more than one car.
You buy the one that makes the most sense overall for your situation,
and which minimizes to the greatest degree your need for renting or
borrowing something different to do a specialized task.

Now, make sense or be ignored. (My guess is you're already being
ignored plenty.)