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Old 23 Apr 2009, 03:42 pm
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Default Re: Inviting every hybrid owners in Seattle to prove us wrong.


"GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote in message news:...
>
> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:tlp0v49oertq6s5b0ef1ps7bivfqj4be0r@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:59:18 -0400, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>on 4/22/2009 10:31 PM (ET) GasSaver wrote the following:
>>>> "joe" <none@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:NFiHl.69242$ua7.8564@newsfe17.iad...
>>>>
>>>>> GasSaver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <not much worth repeating>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to be taken seriously,
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Explain how your improvement works. If you've applied for a
>>>>> patent,
>>>>> or
>>>>> offered your product for general sale (like hawking it on a
>>>>> newsgroup)
>>>>> then
>>>>> you have nothing to hide.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Explain how you account for the dominant factor in highway
>>>>> mileage,
>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>> wind resistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Are you actually reducing fuel consumption, or augmenting the fuel
>>>>> with
>>>>> an alternative, like propane, which can reduce the gasoline
>>>>> consumption,
>>>>> but does not reduce the overall fuel consumption?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Do you modify the entire drive train to handle the stress of the
>>>>> extra
>>>>> HP
>>>>> you claim to achieve?
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Show us independent, credible, verification that what you do
>>>>> actually
>>>>> works as you claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) Explain why you are trying to make it rich one car at a time, when
>>>>> a
>>>>> real
>>>>> invention with the benefits you claim would be worth millions to the
>>>>> automotive industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Until you can show the above, I won't consider your claims to be
>>>>> legitimate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe, please go to this web-site:
>>>>
>>>> www.extra150miles.com
>>>>
>>>> It will open your mind. If you bought a hybrid already then you can
>>>> always
>>>> resell it. The word "1-yr Warranty will be printed on your receipt"
>>>> We
>>>> are law-abiding company and citizens.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> GasSaver.
>>>>
>>>> BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any
>>>> models
>>>> C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
>>>> Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
>>>> www.extra150miles.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I went to your site and there is one thing there that will definitely
>>>improve gas mileage.
>>>Use of the ScanGauge II, pictured on your home page, which will show you
>>>how to improve your driving habits to improve MPG.
>>>However, your use of this gauge as proof of the MPG gained with your
>>>system is misleading.
>>>I have a ScanGauge II mounted on my dashboard. I have a 1997 Nissan PU
>>>with the 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder FI engine which EPA Highway rating was 19
>>>MPG at the time of its manufacture.
>>>The figures on your ScanGauge are no proof of anything that you have
>>>done.

>
> Joe sorry I don't understand what you're trying to tell me with your car
> and our video. Don';t be confused with dynamic MPG display with Average
> MPG display. Go to Scangauge or just forget it for now, I will show you
> a
> new proof you'd never seen before. A full video of a 75 miles trip from
> Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
> you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your
> security
> sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
> will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving,
> after
> 40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that
> video
> to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.
>
>>> I can get any MPG reading, RPM reading, or even gallons used per
>>>hour on my ScanGauge by merely letting up on the gas pedal at any speed.
>>>At 80 miles per hour, I can get a MPG reading in the hundreds by taking
>>>my foot off the gas pedal. Letting up on the gas pedal and pushing the
>>>clutch in when going downhill.will give me a 9999 MPG reading.
>>>When someone uses a deception as proof of something, as you have, I feel
>>>there are more deceptive statements lurking in their 'proofs'.

>
>
> Joe, you misunderstand, OFS doesn't make Scangauge, the scanguageII
> showing
> 9999MPG is not our deceptive proof of anything, It is a Scangauge way of
> telling people that the fuel line is cut off by a car computer, they say
> but I can't substantiate that claim. Please don't assume it was our
> intention to deceive any one.
>
>
>> This is exactly right. Nothing on the website proves or even explains
>> anything. Yes, we (and every automotive engineer) know that friction
>> and the combustion processes have inefficiencies. Auto companies have
>> spent billions to minimize these losses with significant results. Now
>> you have a mystery tune-up that magically triples gas mileage and you
>> are hawking it on usenet. Is there any real question why NO ONE takes
>> you seriously. You are either a fraud or a lunatic.
>>

>
> Lunatic or not it's only your frame of reference. Yes you know about
> frictions but you don't do anything about them, that's what eat your
> pocket
> up alive, further more you standardize the frictions in your brake
> system.
> You called them by-design or your laws-of-physics. "They are NOT any
> laws
> of physics, they are your design failure". Look at your GM and FORD
> today,
> their failures mimic your thinking. That's the real fraud for not
> telling
> people of their inability to correct the problems.
>
> This is why I offer you guys to make a full video of a 75 miles trip
> from
> Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
> you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your
> security
> sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
> will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving,
> after
> 40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that
> video
> to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.
>



Joe,

Also read this page with open-mind, Press F5 to reload the page first. If
you have experience with alternator torque outside the box, you'll see what
I mean. http://www.extra150miles.com/frictions.html.

Any way, send me your tamper-free security sticker to seal my gas cap, if I
open the gas gap I break your sticker before video ends, that would mean I
cheat. If this video won't help you then you should go for a 1-hr test
with our cars. Nothing can teach you like a real life experience. Theory
and reality are two different things. Too much theories in the newsgroups.

Gassaver@extra150miles.com












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Old 23 Apr 2009, 08:18 pm
Tegger
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Default Re: Inviting every hybrid owners in Seattle to prove us wrong.

"GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote in
news:aY-dnWPs0JooT23UnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@posted.toastnet:

> Too much
> theories in the newsgroups.




Sure are.

Tell me where you are in the Puget Sound area. I'll go there and we can
take a drive. Deal?

No?

Well, failing that, there's a very big Toyota dealership in the Seattle
area. A friend of mine works there as an MDT. You can go there, ask for
him, and he'll go for a drive with you. Is that good?


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Old 23 Apr 2009, 09:22 pm
Gordon McGrew
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Default Re: Inviting every hybrid owners in Seattle to prove us wrong.

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:42:27 -0700, "GasSaver"
<GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote:

>
>"GasSaver" <GasSaverNospam@Extra150miles.com> wrote in message news:...
>>
>> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:tlp0v49oertq6s5b0ef1ps7bivfqj4be0r@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:59:18 -0400, willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>on 4/22/2009 10:31 PM (ET) GasSaver wrote the following:
>>>>> "joe" <none@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:NFiHl.69242$ua7.8564@newsfe17.iad...
>>>>>
>>>>>> GasSaver wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <not much worth repeating>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to be taken seriously,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Explain how your improvement works. If you've applied for a
>>>>>> patent,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> offered your product for general sale (like hawking it on a
>>>>>> newsgroup)
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> you have nothing to hide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Explain how you account for the dominant factor in highway
>>>>>> mileage,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> wind resistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Are you actually reducing fuel consumption, or augmenting the fuel
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> an alternative, like propane, which can reduce the gasoline
>>>>>> consumption,
>>>>>> but does not reduce the overall fuel consumption?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Do you modify the entire drive train to handle the stress of the
>>>>>> extra
>>>>>> HP
>>>>>> you claim to achieve?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5) Show us independent, credible, verification that what you do
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> works as you claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6) Explain why you are trying to make it rich one car at a time, when
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> real
>>>>>> invention with the benefits you claim would be worth millions to the
>>>>>> automotive industry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until you can show the above, I won't consider your claims to be
>>>>>> legitimate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe, please go to this web-site:
>>>>>
>>>>> www.extra150miles.com
>>>>>
>>>>> It will open your mind. If you bought a hybrid already then you can
>>>>> always
>>>>> resell it. The word "1-yr Warranty will be printed on your receipt"
>>>>> We
>>>>> are law-abiding company and citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> GasSaver.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any
>>>>> models
>>>>> C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
>>>>> Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
>>>>> www.extra150miles.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I went to your site and there is one thing there that will definitely
>>>>improve gas mileage.
>>>>Use of the ScanGauge II, pictured on your home page, which will show you
>>>>how to improve your driving habits to improve MPG.
>>>>However, your use of this gauge as proof of the MPG gained with your
>>>>system is misleading.
>>>>I have a ScanGauge II mounted on my dashboard. I have a 1997 Nissan PU
>>>>with the 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder FI engine which EPA Highway rating was 19
>>>>MPG at the time of its manufacture.
>>>>The figures on your ScanGauge are no proof of anything that you have
>>>>done.

>>
>> Joe sorry I don't understand what you're trying to tell me with your car
>> and our video. Don';t be confused with dynamic MPG display with Average
>> MPG display. Go to Scangauge or just forget it for now, I will show you
>> a
>> new proof you'd never seen before. A full video of a 75 miles trip from
>> Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
>> you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your
>> security
>> sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
>> will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving,
>> after
>> 40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that
>> video
>> to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.
>>
>>>> I can get any MPG reading, RPM reading, or even gallons used per
>>>>hour on my ScanGauge by merely letting up on the gas pedal at any speed.
>>>>At 80 miles per hour, I can get a MPG reading in the hundreds by taking
>>>>my foot off the gas pedal. Letting up on the gas pedal and pushing the
>>>>clutch in when going downhill.will give me a 9999 MPG reading.
>>>>When someone uses a deception as proof of something, as you have, I feel
>>>>there are more deceptive statements lurking in their 'proofs'.

>>
>>
>> Joe, you misunderstand, OFS doesn't make Scangauge, the scanguageII
>> showing
>> 9999MPG is not our deceptive proof of anything, It is a Scangauge way of
>> telling people that the fuel line is cut off by a car computer, they say
>> but I can't substantiate that claim. Please don't assume it was our
>> intention to deceive any one.
>>
>>
>>> This is exactly right. Nothing on the website proves or even explains
>>> anything. Yes, we (and every automotive engineer) know that friction
>>> and the combustion processes have inefficiencies. Auto companies have
>>> spent billions to minimize these losses with significant results. Now
>>> you have a mystery tune-up that magically triples gas mileage and you
>>> are hawking it on usenet. Is there any real question why NO ONE takes
>>> you seriously. You are either a fraud or a lunatic.
>>>

>>
>> Lunatic or not it's only your frame of reference. Yes you know about
>> frictions but you don't do anything about them, that's what eat your
>> pocket
>> up alive, further more you standardize the frictions in your brake
>> system.
>> You called them by-design or your laws-of-physics. "They are NOT any
>> laws
>> of physics, they are your design failure". Look at your GM and FORD
>> today,
>> their failures mimic your thinking. That's the real fraud for not
>> telling
>> people of their inability to correct the problems.
>>
>> This is why I offer you guys to make a full video of a 75 miles trip
>> from
>> Seattle to Olympia to prove that our fixes make a big difference, to show
>> you all instrumentation on the car itself and you can send me your
>> security
>> sticker to seal the gas cap to make sure I won't add any more fuel. You
>> will see the fuel gauge refusing to come down after 35 miles driving,
>> after
>> 40 miles it will come down about 1/2 a gallon. I will squeeze that
>> video
>> to compressed size so you won't have to spend 1-hr watching it.
>>

>
>
>Joe,
>
>Also read this page with open-mind, Press F5 to reload the page first. If
>you have experience with alternator torque outside the box, you'll see what
>I mean. http://www.extra150miles.com/frictions.html.
>
>Any way, send me your tamper-free security sticker to seal my gas cap, if I
>open the gas gap I break your sticker before video ends, that would mean I
>cheat. If this video won't help you then you should go for a 1-hr test
>with our cars. Nothing can teach you like a real life experience. Theory
>and reality are two different things. Too much theories in the newsgroups.
>
>Gassaver@extra150miles.com
>


Great, you claim to have a patent pending. Can you give us the
publication number? When did you file it? Did you file a PCT
application?

And I really like the part about the vehicle having to be
friction-free before you install the magic device. Maybe that is why
it doesn't work. You just haven't found a friction-free vehicle
worthy of the installation.

Yeah, I am going with lunatic.
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Old 25 Apr 2009, 01:10 am
Dillon Pyron
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Thus spake Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> :


<snip>

>
>Great, you claim to have a patent pending. Can you give us the
>publication number? When did you file it? Did you file a PCT
>application?


I'll go one better with him, if he's up for it. I have a 100% iron
clad NDA that I'll sign if he's willing to send me all of his
material. I will only publish my conclusions and none of his
information. This is the way I do a lot of my consulting. I will
frequently excerpt and redact findings to show what I'm talking aobut
without revealing confidential informaiton.

>
>And I really like the part about the vehicle having to be
>friction-free before you install the magic device. Maybe that is why
>it doesn't work. You just haven't found a friction-free vehicle
>worthy of the installation.


I would suggest he read one of Larry Nivens' three tretise on
inertialess drives. Since Larry makes his living selling SF, his
debunking of much of the "technology" behind it makes him very popular
with some of us (the ones who cheered on Shatner during his diatribe
on SNL) and unpopular with others.

>
>Yeah, I am going with lunatic.


Self deluded works, also.
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- dillon I am not invalid

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are due on April 15th. Coincidence? I think not.

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