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Old 30 Mar 2009, 09:36 am
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Default Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota

Business Week

Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric models,
the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither one
is skimping when it comes to generating hype...

Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar

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Old 30 Mar 2009, 11:13 am
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Default Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota

Hope their TOTAL Life CO2 will be less than a Jeep with the new model

"rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
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> Business Week
>
> Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
> new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
> enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric models,
> the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither
> one is skimping when it comes to generating hype...
>
> Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar



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Old 30 Mar 2009, 09:31 pm
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From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
for a Prius exterior look, but it employs the same mild hybrid IMA set-
up Honda used on the Civic, which left me totally unimpressed.

In article <1860B155655B4B039F2D55D0FDCA3C71@DefaultPC>, rtc (Use-
Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]) says...
> Business Week
>
> Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
> new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
> enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric models,
> the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither one
> is skimping when it comes to generating hype...
>
> Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar
>
>

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Old 30 Mar 2009, 09:59 pm
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Default Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota

Actually, it is going for a HCX /Insight 1/FCX Clarity look, the Prius
copied Honda, not the other way.

"Mr. G" <mrg@aol.com> wrote in message
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> From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
> for a Prius exterior look, but it employs the same mild hybrid IMA set-
> up Honda used on the Civic, which left me totally unimpressed.
>
> In article <1860B155655B4B039F2D55D0FDCA3C71@DefaultPC>, rtc (Use-
> Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]) says...
>> Business Week
>>
>> Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
>> new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
>> enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric
>> models,
>> the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither
>> one
>> is skimping when it comes to generating hype...
>>
>> Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar
>>
>>

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Old 30 Mar 2009, 10:24 pm
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In article <gqs0vn$3uc$1@news.motzarella.org>, Justbob30 (justbob30
@hotmail.com) says...
> Actually, it is going for a HCX /Insight 1/FCX Clarity look, the Prius
> copied Honda, not the other way.
>

The original Insight looks *nothing* like either the new Insight or the
Prius, and the Clarity concept car wasn't unveiled until long after the
NHW20 Prius.
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Old 31 Mar 2009, 12:50 am
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In article <MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com>,
Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:

> From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
> for a Prius exterior look,


The original 2-seater Insight had that same look, and it predated the
Prius.

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Old 31 Mar 2009, 07:59 am
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Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call actually
drive these the most ungreen of green cars?


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Old 31 Mar 2009, 08:47 am
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I've just driven the new Insight. As an owner of the current-edition
Prius since its release in October 2003, my opinion of the Honda entry
is of course mostly shaped by my Prius experience. I've also driven the
Accord and Civic hybrids, though. Nice cars, but seem to be playing
catch-up. They all run much like a series hybrid rather than the
remarkable Toyota parallel system.

Few will drive Insight and Prius and choose the Honda, as it's simply
less of a car. When the new Prius reaches the market, the difference
will grow.

Ike
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Old 31 Mar 2009, 09:10 am
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In article <73eidgFuhcjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ttoommy" <ttoommy@googlemail.co.uk> wrote:

> Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call actually
> drive these the most ungreen of green cars?


I think you have the wrong newsgroup; the Hummer group is down the hall.

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Old 31 Mar 2009, 09:22 am
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Yeah, Ike, I guess it is a matter of perspective. I have an HCHII, the
reasons I bought it are many, first I did not want to tell the world "look
at me I have a hybrid" it is more like a car not a video game with an
overall better look and feel.
I have driven the Prius 1,000 miles in 4 days, not fun...less headroom,
seating position too upright, I HATE the video game screen, I HATE the a/c
controls, the bar across the back, the seating position is too high & too
upright, less headroom odd console, cup holder, pushbutton start, shift
knobbie on the dash to bang my knee on the list goes on and on, yes I know
it has more interior room than the Civic but in the cargo area, not in the
passenger area where it counts....so, while my Civic may not be a Prius, I
am thankful for that every day, yeah, I get 1 less mpg than my friend with a
prius but, who cares, at least I have a car I am comfortable in and does not
have a top heavy skitterish ride.
I does look like the 2010 prius has fixed most of my issues, I am sure the
seating position has not been fixed because for me Toyotas (generally)have
the most uncomfortable seats on the market and I see the bar across the back
is there too (a major fault on the insight too, sadly).

"Ike" <binarydotike@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've just driven the new Insight. As an owner of the current-edition Prius
> since its release in October 2003, my opinion of the Honda entry is of
> course mostly shaped by my Prius experience. I've also driven the Accord
> and Civic hybrids, though. Nice cars, but seem to be playing catch-up.
> They all run much like a series hybrid rather than the remarkable Toyota
> parallel system.
>
> Few will drive Insight and Prius and choose the Honda, as it's simply less
> of a car. When the new Prius reaches the market, the difference will grow.
>
> Ike


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