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Old 31 Mar 2009, 09:29 am
Justbob30
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Yes Tommy, People do, in spite of your obvious hybrid misinformation and
disgust for anything different than what you have. you have posted 2 vague
accusations now, post some facts and, please don't post that tired urban
legend about the nickel mines in Canada that were cleaned up 10 years before
the Hybrid was introduced

"Ttoommy" <ttoommy@googlemail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call
> actually drive these the most ungreen of green cars?
>
>

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Old 31 Mar 2009, 05:02 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <gqt6t6$fg5$1@news.motzarella.org>,
Ike <binarydotike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Few will drive Insight and Prius and choose the Honda, as it's simply
> less of a car.


Everyone will evaluate the features and size against the price for each
vehicle, and will make his own choice.

Not everyone wants or can afford the Prius. While they might have
otherwise bought a Corolla, now that the Honda is out many will go that
route.
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Old 31 Mar 2009, 05:04 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <gqt8vh$26s$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Justbob30" <justbob30@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have driven the Prius 1,000 miles in 4 days, not fun...


250 miles a day??? Where's the stress in THAT?

The Prius is a very comfortable car, even for 1000 miles in one day.



> I HATE the video game screen


I don't even see it anymore. I agree--it was way too much "look at me!
I'm different!"


> I HATE the a/c
> controls


??? Little button on the wheel--it goes up, it goes down, the
temperature goes accordingly.
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Old 31 Mar 2009, 06:20 pm
Mr. G
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In article <michelle-69716C.22505130032009@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
Michelle Steiner (michelle@michelle.org) says...
> In article <MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com>,
> Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
> > for a Prius exterior look,

>
> The original 2-seater Insight had that same look, and it predated the
> Prius.


I guess you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes looking
'alike'. I've seen the Insight in a showroom, I've seen photos, and
there's one I often see on my drive to work. It has never occurred to
me that it looks anything like a Prius. Or the new Insight.
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Old 31 Mar 2009, 10:46 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <MPG.243c6f3e42f634889896b5@news.giganews.com>,
Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:

> I've seen the Insight in a showroom, I've seen photos, and
> there's one I often see on my drive to work. It has never occurred to
> me that it looks anything like a Prius. Or the new Insight.


Absolutely agreed.
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Old 01 Apr 2009, 01:37 am
z
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On Mar 30, 11:24*pm, Mr. G <m...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article <gqs0vn$3u...@news.motzarella.org>, Justbob30 (justbob30
> @hotmail.com) says...> Actually, it is going for a HCX /Insight 1/FCX Clarity look, the Prius
> > copied Honda, not the other way.

>
> The original Insight looks *nothing* like either the new Insight or the
> Prius, and the Clarity concept car wasn't unveiled until long after the
> NHW20 Prius. *


yeah, the original insight reminds me of the pedal powered speed
record competitors with its ultraaerodynamics. the new one is more of
a junior civic hybrid.
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Old 02 Apr 2009, 01:47 am
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thus spoke the green taliban

CO2 MUST be cut by 80% by 2050 yet even green experts say its only higher
than the 14th C by 30% - WTF?

"Justbob30" <justbob30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes Tommy, People do, in spite of your obvious hybrid misinformation and
> disgust for anything different than what you have. you have posted 2
> vague accusations now, post some facts and, please don't post that tired
> urban legend about the nickel mines in Canada that were cleaned up 10
> years before the Hybrid was introduced
>
> "Ttoommy" <ttoommy@googlemail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:73eidgFuhcjiU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call
>> actually drive these the most ungreen of green cars?
>>
>>



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Old 02 Apr 2009, 01:02 pm
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Ttoommy wrote:
> thus spoke the green taliban
>
> CO2 MUST be cut by 80% by 2050 yet even green experts say its only higher
> than the 14th C by 30% - WTF?


Those are percentages of two different things, in much
the same way that the debt and the deficit are different.

The 80% cut by 2050 refers to CO2 emissions. Globally,
we're currently emitting on the order of 30 billion
tonnes of CO2 annually.

The 30% increase refers to the amount of CO2 in the
atmosphere, currently 387 ppmv, or about 3 trillion
tonnes.

Cutting emissions by 80% by 2050 would mean that
atmospheric CO2 levels should peak at around 450 to 500
ppmv, or about 60-80% higher than pre-industrial levels.

> "Justbob30" <justbob30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gqt9d2$5p0$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> Yes Tommy, People do, in spite of your obvious hybrid misinformation and
>> disgust for anything different than what you have. you have posted 2
>> vague accusations now, post some facts and, please don't post that tired
>> urban legend about the nickel mines in Canada that were cleaned up 10
>> years before the Hybrid was introduced
>>
>> "Ttoommy" <ttoommy@googlemail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:73eidgFuhcjiU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call
>>> actually drive these the most ungreen of green cars?

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Old 04 Apr 2009, 04:34 pm
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-69716C.22505130032009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
> In article <MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com>,
> Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
>> for a Prius exterior look,

>
> The original 2-seater Insight had that same look, and it predated the
> Prius.


The original Insight looked, to me, nothing like the '04 Prius or the new
Insight.

Cathy


>
> --
> It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to
> America.



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Old 04 Apr 2009, 07:57 pm
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Cathy F. wrote:
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-69716C.22505130032009@mara100-84.onlink.net...
>> In article <MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com>,
>> Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
>>> for a Prius exterior look,

>> The original 2-seater Insight had that same look, and it predated the
>> Prius.

>
> The original Insight looked, to me, nothing like the '04 Prius or the new
> Insight.
>
> Cathy



As I recall, that general aerodynamic shape is called the KAMM BACK.
Audi A2, Insight (both), Prius -- all are in that family, along with
many competition cars. Perhaps the horrific Pontiac Aztec, as well.

Ike

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