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Old 23 Feb 2004, 04:22 pm
electricked
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Hi all,

This morning I tried starting my 98 accord and it woudln't start on the
first go. A few more tries and it would start. Now, when I try to start it
the engine spins for a second then stops, then half a second later the car
automatically starts and I hear the noise that comes out when you try to
start the car while it's already running.

Any ideas what might be causing this? I'm thinking it's the starter but it
could be something else (fuel related maybe?) On saturday night I put a
"fuel injector cleaner" on a full tank of gas, drove it the whole night, and
it's been sitting like this until this morning (monday). Wondering if this
has anything to do with it.

TIA

--Viktor


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Old 23 Feb 2004, 09:22 pm
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"electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> This morning I tried starting my 98 accord and it woudln't start on the
> first go. A few more tries and it would start. Now, when I try to start it
> the engine spins for a second then stops, then half a second later the car
> automatically starts and I hear the noise that comes out when you try to
> start the car while it's already running.
>
> Any ideas what might be causing this? I'm thinking it's the starter but it
> could be something else (fuel related maybe?) On saturday night I put a
> "fuel injector cleaner" on a full tank of gas, drove it the whole night,

and
> it's been sitting like this until this morning (monday). Wondering if this
> has anything to do with it.
>
> TIA
>
> --Viktor


I just removed the starter and I'm about to test if the pinion gear pops out
and spins right. The teeth on the starter gear are a "little" worn out. The
teeth on the fly wheel look pretty bad though. I don't know if the starter
caused the bad teeth or if the fly wheel caused the malfunction. I guess
I'll find out once I test the starter.

Can someone tell me how hard it is to replace the flywheel on a 98 accord?
What's the basic procedure? What do I have to remove? How much would it cost
for the part and replacement at a decent shop?

Any feedback is welcome and greatly appreciated.

--Viktor


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Old 23 Feb 2004, 10:24 pm
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electricked wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> This morning I tried starting my 98 accord and it woudln't start on the
> first go. A few more tries and it would start. Now, when I try to start
> it the engine spins for a second then stops, then half a second later
> the car automatically starts and I hear the noise that comes out when
> you try to start the car while it's already running.
>


You problems could be starter related or they could be due to a faulty
ignition switch. I find it curious that your car is starting
"automatically" and this suggests that there could be a starter relay in the
system that's malfunctioning. I'm really not too familiar with the '98
Accords but I hope that this gives you some additional ideas on things to
check. If you don't have one already, you can get a factory service manual
from http://www.helminc.com.

In response to your second post, if you find that the starter is ok (and the
problem lies elsewhere) then you can replace the starter pinion gear and the
flywheel's ring gear to correct for the damage that's already been done.
The latter is considerably more difficult and involves removing the
transmission. If you're not prepared to do this then it might be best to
have a shop perform the work.

Eric
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 01:55 am
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> You problems could be starter related or they could be due to a faulty
> ignition switch. I find it curious that your car is starting
> "automatically" and this suggests that there could be a starter relay in

the
> system that's malfunctioning. I'm really not too familiar with the '98
> Accords but I hope that this gives you some additional ideas on things to
> check. If you don't have one already, you can get a factory service

manual
> from http://www.helminc.com.
>
> In response to your second post, if you find that the starter is ok (and

the
> problem lies elsewhere) then you can replace the starter pinion gear and

the
> flywheel's ring gear to correct for the damage that's already been done.
> The latter is considerably more difficult and involves removing the
> transmission. If you're not prepared to do this then it might be best to
> have a shop perform the work.
>
> Eric


Thanks for your reply Eric.

Unfortunately my battery is dead now since I had to move the car on the
street with the lights on so it's charging up. Hopefully I'll get to test
the starter tomorrow.

Actually, I'm ready to do any repair on my accord but I don't have the tools
nor time for this type of job (changing the flywheel is a major job).

Do you think the flywheel gear will hold like that if I replace the pinion
gear on the starter?

I'll see how much I can get done tomorrow (I have three exams on wednesday
so my schedule is a bit rough at the moment). I'll get to it by thursday
eventually.

Once again, thanks!

--Viktor


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Old 24 Feb 2004, 09:49 am
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"electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in
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> Do you think the flywheel gear will hold like that if I replace the
> pinion gear on the starter?


If the flywheel teeth are bad enough,they will damage the new starter drive
gear,when it slips and gnashes against the next group of flywheel teeth.
Your flywheel and starter gears probably were originally damaged when
someone kept cranking the motor after it had already started.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 11:20 am
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In article <wd2dnSzvuoNu_afdRVn-vg@comcast.com>, "electricked"
<no_emails_please> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This morning I tried starting my 98 accord and it woudln't start on the
> first go. A few more tries and it would start. Now, when I try to start it
> the engine spins for a second then stops, then half a second later the car
> automatically starts and I hear the noise that comes out when you try to
> start the car while it's already running.
>
> Any ideas what might be causing this? I'm thinking it's the starter but it
> could be something else (fuel related maybe?) On saturday night I put a
> "fuel injector cleaner" on a full tank of gas, drove it the whole night, and
> it's been sitting like this until this morning (monday). Wondering if this
> has anything to do with it.
>
> TIA
>
> --Viktor


Your car might be covered under the recall. I know for sure that many 1999
Honda Accords--they look exactly like 1998 Accords--were recalled due to
ignition switch problems. You should ask your dealer about the recall. If
someone knows the website where the information about the recall can be
found--please post it.
try this site--it might have the information
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/24/992425AW.html
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 12:01 pm
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns94996EA662A7Fjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21.. .
> "electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in
> news:KKGdnfVZGvjQeqfdRVn-gg@comcast.com:
>
>
>
> > Do you think the flywheel gear will hold like that if I replace the
> > pinion gear on the starter?

>
> If the flywheel teeth are bad enough,they will damage the new starter

drive
> gear,when it slips and gnashes against the next group of flywheel teeth.
> Your flywheel and starter gears probably were originally damaged when
> someone kept cranking the motor after it had already started.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik-at-kua.net


I don't want to embarass the person who did it because he's my father! Heh
it slipped. Anyway... He thinks he knows everything. I told him to stop
trying to start the car before we knew what the problems was but he's very
persuasive. I thought it was the starter giving up or with worn out teeth
since I had bought a less quality starter but after I removed it I noticed
the flywheel teeth are 1/16-1/8 gone and the starter pinion gear is almost
brand as new.

How much would it cost to fix it up? I don't have the proper tools nor time
at the moment to remove the whole transmission.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

--Viktor


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Old 24 Feb 2004, 04:56 pm
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Yeah there's a recall for the ignition switch and the tranny. Does the
recall mean they should fix it for free if it's broken? If so, what if I've
replaced the stock one once due to problems and now it's broken again?

--Viktor

"T. Nelson" <tnelson@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <wd2dnSzvuoNu_afdRVn-vg@comcast.com>, "electricked"
> <no_emails_please> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This morning I tried starting my 98 accord and it woudln't start on the
> > first go. A few more tries and it would start. Now, when I try to start

it
> > the engine spins for a second then stops, then half a second later the

car
> > automatically starts and I hear the noise that comes out when you try to
> > start the car while it's already running.
> >
> > Any ideas what might be causing this? I'm thinking it's the starter but

it
> > could be something else (fuel related maybe?) On saturday night I put a
> > "fuel injector cleaner" on a full tank of gas, drove it the whole night,

and
> > it's been sitting like this until this morning (monday). Wondering if

this
> > has anything to do with it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > --Viktor

>
> Your car might be covered under the recall. I know for sure that many 1999
> Honda Accords--they look exactly like 1998 Accords--were recalled due to
> ignition switch problems. You should ask your dealer about the recall. If
> someone knows the website where the information about the recall can be
> found--please post it.
> try this site--it might have the information
> http://www.alldata.com/TSB/24/992425AW.html



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Old 24 Feb 2004, 06:45 pm
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On 2/24/04 11:20 AM, in article
tnelson-2402040920150001@pm2-broad-1...dialup.fix.net, "T. Nelson"
<tnelson@nospam.com> wrote:

> In article <wd2dnSzvuoNu_afdRVn-vg@comcast.com>, "electricked"
> <no_emails_please> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This morning I tried starting my 98 accord and it woudln't start on the
>> first go. A few more tries and it would start. Now, when I try to start it
>> the engine spins for a second then stops, then half a second later the car
>> automatically starts and I hear the noise that comes out when you try to
>> start the car while it's already running.
>>
>> Any ideas what might be causing this? I'm thinking it's the starter but it
>> could be something else (fuel related maybe?) On saturday night I put a
>> "fuel injector cleaner" on a full tank of gas, drove it the whole night, and
>> it's been sitting like this until this morning (monday). Wondering if this
>> has anything to do with it.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> --Viktor

>
> Your car might be covered under the recall. I know for sure that many 1999
> Honda Accords--they look exactly like 1998 Accords--were recalled due to
> ignition switch problems. You should ask your dealer about the recall. If
> someone knows the website where the information about the recall can be
> found--please post it.
> try this site--it might have the information
> http://www.alldata.com/TSB/24/992425AW.html


This does not sound anything like the ignition switch problem.

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Old 26 Feb 2004, 05:09 pm
T. Nelson
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In article <atednf0TmvzDJ6bdRVn-jw@comcast.com>, "electricked"
<no_emails_please> wrote:

> Yeah there's a recall for the ignition switch and the tranny. Does the
> recall mean they should fix it for free if it's broken? If so, what if I've
> replaced the stock one once due to problems and now it's broken again?
>
> --Viktor

Viktor,
I don't know the answer to your question but when I asked the service
manager about it, he typed the number that is engraved on the top of the
dashboard in his computer and it showed that my car was not covered by the
recall. He may have been lying to me since I have a 1999 Accord. I made a
hard copy of the items from the web site related to the recall and will
use them if I ever have problems with my ignition switch. The service
manager at your dealership should be able to answer your questions. Ask
for a hard copy of anything he finds on his computer related to your
vehicle.
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