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Shell is promoting its new nitrogenized gasoline as an engine cleaning
formula. Anybody knows if this is for real and how nitrogen could
accomplish that? I've been favoring Chevron for its techron content for
the same reason.
pj

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <gpf7nh$6kp$1@news.motzarella.org>, "P J" <pj@pjama.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Shell is promoting its new nitrogenized gasoline as an engine cleaning
>> formula. Anybody knows if this is for real and how nitrogen could
>> accomplish that? I've been favoring Chevron for its techron content for
>> the same reason.
>> pj
>
> I can't speak for the nitrogenized gasoline, but I started using Shell
> several years ago, based on their cleaning claims. I discovered that
> whatever it was, Shell gas was cheaper to run than other fuels.
>
> I started with a few tanks of their Ultra, with extra cleaners, to get
> things clean (this was a 94 Lexus with 130K miles on it). Then I
> switched to their 87 octane, and ran nothing but that. I was getting
> better mileage than I did on other fuels, and even accounting for the
> fact that the Shell was a bit more expensive to buy, it was cheaper to
> run.
>
> go figure. I think their claims are legit--but they were so even before
> claiming this "nitrogenized" fuel.

i started keeping fuel logs a few years ago, and indeed, averages for
shell are better than chevron, the other one i've run extensively.

but i have no idea about this nitrogen thing though. some interesting
blog comments here:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...ostid=55935549

In article <gpf7nh$6kp$1@news.motzarella.org>, "P J" <pj@pjama.invalid>
wrote:

> Shell is promoting its new nitrogenized gasoline as an engine cleaning
> formula. Anybody knows if this is for real and how nitrogen could
> accomplish that? I've been favoring Chevron for its techron content for
> the same reason.
> pj

I can't speak for the nitrogenized gasoline, but I started using Shell
several years ago, based on their cleaning claims. I discovered that
whatever it was, Shell gas was cheaper to run than other fuels.

I started with a few tanks of their Ultra, with extra cleaners, to get
things clean (this was a 94 Lexus with 130K miles on it). Then I
switched to their 87 octane, and ran nothing but that. I was getting
better mileage than I did on other fuels, and even accounting for the
fact that the Shell was a bit more expensive to buy, it was cheaper to
run.

go figure. I think their claims are legit--but they were so even before
claiming this "nitrogenized" fuel.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> I can't speak for the nitrogenized gasoline, but I started using Shell
> several years ago, based on their cleaning claims. I discovered that
> whatever it was, Shell gas was cheaper to run than other fuels.
>
> I started with a few tanks of their Ultra, with extra cleaners, to get
> things clean (this was a 94 Lexus with 130K miles on it). Then I
> switched to their 87 octane, and ran nothing but that. I was getting
> better mileage than I did on other fuels, and even accounting for the
> fact that the Shell was a bit more expensive to buy, it was cheaper to
> run.

Hm, interesting. And I thought Chevron was the way to go.

> go figure. I think their claims are legit--but they were so even
> before
> claiming this "nitrogenized" fuel.

I hope it's not a kind of gimmick like those claims about magnets around
fuel lines. ;-)
I noticed though that Shell also uses up to 10% ethanol in its gas which
is said to reduce fuel efficiency, so it's even more puzzling how they
can achieve better overall milage than other main brands.
pj

P J wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> I can't speak for the nitrogenized gasoline, but I started using Shell
>> several years ago, based on their cleaning claims. I discovered that
>> whatever it was, Shell gas was cheaper to run than other fuels.
>>
>> I started with a few tanks of their Ultra, with extra cleaners, to get
>> things clean (this was a 94 Lexus with 130K miles on it). Then I
>> switched to their 87 octane, and ran nothing but that. I was getting
>> better mileage than I did on other fuels, and even accounting for the
>> fact that the Shell was a bit more expensive to buy, it was cheaper to
>> run.
>
> Hm, interesting. And I thought Chevron was the way to go.
>
>> go figure. I think their claims are legit--but they were so even before
>> claiming this "nitrogenized" fuel.
>
> I hope it's not a kind of gimmick like those claims about magnets around
> fuel lines. ;-)
> I noticed though that Shell also uses up to 10% ethanol

the key to understanding is knowing the difference between "up to 10%"
and "is 10%".


> in its gas which
> is said to reduce fuel efficiency, so it's even more puzzling how they
> can achieve better overall milage than other main brands.
> pj

In article <gphamr$c5l$1@news.motzarella.org>, "P J" <pj@pjama.invalid>
wrote:

> > I started with a few tanks of their Ultra, with extra cleaners, to get
> > things clean (this was a 94 Lexus with 130K miles on it). Then I
> > switched to their 87 octane, and ran nothing but that. I was getting
> > better mileage than I did on other fuels, and even accounting for the
> > fact that the Shell was a bit more expensive to buy, it was cheaper to
> > run.
>
> Hm, interesting. And I thought Chevron was the way to go.

We don't have Chevron around here, so I have no way of knowing.

"P J" <pj@pjama.invalid> wrote in message
news:gphamr$c5l$1@news.motzarella.org...
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> I can't speak for the nitrogenized gasoline, but I started using Shell
>> several years ago, based on their cleaning claims. I discovered that
>> whatever it was, Shell gas was cheaper to run than other fuels.
>>
>> I started with a few tanks of their Ultra, with extra cleaners, to get
>> things clean (this was a 94 Lexus with 130K miles on it). Then I
>> switched to their 87 octane, and ran nothing but that. I was getting
>> better mileage than I did on other fuels, and even accounting for the
>> fact that the Shell was a bit more expensive to buy, it was cheaper to
>> run.
>
> Hm, interesting. And I thought Chevron was the way to go.
>
>> go figure. I think their claims are legit--but they were so even before
>> claiming this "nitrogenized" fuel.
>
> I hope it's not a kind of gimmick like those claims about magnets around
> fuel lines. ;-)
> I noticed though that Shell also uses up to 10% ethanol in its gas which
> is said to reduce fuel efficiency, so it's even more puzzling how they can
> achieve better overall milage than other main brands.
> pj

Pretty much all gas in the Houston area seems to be 10% ethanol.

"jim beam" <retard-finger@bad.example.net> wrote:
> the key to understanding is knowing the difference between "up to 10%"
> and "is 10%".

Point taken. I better check the posted label more closely next time at
gas stations. Perhaps Arco's label does say 10%. I'm actually surprised
that government allows such vague labeling as "up to 10%." What might be
next? This gasoline's octane rating may be up to 89?
pj

Waiving the right to remain silent, "P J" <pj@pjama.invalid> said:

> "jim beam" <retard-finger@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> the key to understanding is knowing the difference between "up to 10%"
>> and "is 10%".
>
> Point taken. I better check the posted label more closely next time at
> gas stations. Perhaps Arco's label does say 10%. I'm actually surprised
> that government allows such vague labeling as "up to 10%." What might be
> next? This gasoline's octane rating may be up to 89?

They allow it because the amount of additives changes according to the
season.

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P J wrote:

> Shell is promoting its new nitrogenized gasoline as an engine cleaning
> formula. Anybody knows if this is for real and how nitrogen could
> accomplish that? I've been favoring Chevron for its techron content for
> the same reason.
> pj


I can't see how any sort of dissolved free nitrogen would do squat for
cleaning. I'd think that the air would provide plenty...

Shell's site is full of typical idiot-level Dancing Bologna and says
nothing of consequence.

Amines have long been used in the better anti-deposit additives.
Although a very complex family of compounds, all amines use a nitrogen
atom as a foundation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amines This is
hardly bleeding edge tech...

I suspect nothing is new, except for the dumb ad campaign. (OK, maybe
they increased the amount of 'stuff' in their mix by 2%...)

-Humbug!