Honda Car Forum

Since the OP apparently does not have the mechanical knowledge or skills to
look for the cause of the smell the only real solution is to take it to the
dealer and have it checked out for safety if nothing else.


"Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote in message
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>
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:apydnTcfEOo_2zrUnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:d-2dnartW4RyUjvUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>> when a car starts, you have to dump gas because the motor is not warm,
>>>> thus the fuel doesn't fully vaporize, thus you need excess gas to get
>>>> sufficient vapor density to burn. if you dump gas, then turn the motor
>>>> off? where is the gas now? in the inlet, and /not/ being sucked into
>>>> the motor. so where does it go? it evaporates back out of the air
>>>> intake. thus you smell gas!!!
>>>>
>>>> so that's all the o.p. is experiencing - a few seconds of excess gas
>>>> because he hasn't warmed the motor. utterly trivial.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe so, but it still does not rule out a gasoline leak. The risk is
>>> too great to just shrug it off.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> well, the neighbor kid could have been stealing gas too and spilled some.
>> or theoretically, the vehicle /could/ have been drilled by one of these:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_...ssive_particle
>>
>> that actually /did/ interact precisely at an injector o-ring, and is
>> subsequently just a bomb waiting to explode.
>>
>> but somehow i doubt it. just like i doubt fuel leak on a sub-year old
>> car made by a manufacturer with an excellent track record on this stuff.
>> especially when we're told that the car has been run for less than 60
>> seconds and that we know about excess mixture on start-up, etc...
>>
>> seriously dude, look at the big picture and assign probabilities.
>>
>>
> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the
> plastic/metal junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often shows
> up when cold and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite a few in
> my time... including the one that set my Nissan on fire before I could put
> the new injector in. On a nearly new car the possibility of a construction
> defect can't be discounted either; that is why the warranty exists. I am
> not advocating a witch hunt, just due diligence for something that can
> easily send the car up in flames.
>
> Personally, I would feel less silly looking for a leak than I would
> looking at the charred remains and trying to answer the question, "why
> didn't you check it out?" To each their own.
>
> Mike
>

Woody wrote:

> "Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote in message
> news:qY2dne1zi8k5fTrUnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:apydnTcfEOo_2zrUnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:d-2dnartW4RyUjvUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>>> when a car starts, you have to dump gas because the motor is not warm,
>>>>> thus the fuel doesn't fully vaporize, thus you need excess gas to get
>>>>> sufficient vapor density to burn. if you dump gas, then turn the motor
>>>>> off? where is the gas now? in the inlet, and /not/ being sucked into
>>>>> the motor. so where does it go? it evaporates back out of the air
>>>>> intake. thus you smell gas!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> so that's all the o.p. is experiencing - a few seconds of excess gas
>>>>> because he hasn't warmed the motor. utterly trivial.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe so, but it still does not rule out a gasoline leak. The risk is
>>>> too great to just shrug it off.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>> well, the neighbor kid could have been stealing gas too and spilled some.
>>> or theoretically, the vehicle /could/ have been drilled by one of these:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_...ssive_particle
>>>
>>> that actually /did/ interact precisely at an injector o-ring, and is
>>> subsequently just a bomb waiting to explode.
>>>
>>> but somehow i doubt it. just like i doubt fuel leak on a sub-year old
>>> car made by a manufacturer with an excellent track record on this stuff.
>>> especially when we're told that the car has been run for less than 60
>>> seconds and that we know about excess mixture on start-up, etc...
>>>
>>> seriously dude, look at the big picture and assign probabilities.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the
>> plastic/metal junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often shows
>> up when cold and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite a few in
>> my time... including the one that set my Nissan on fire before I could put
>> the new injector in. On a nearly new car the possibility of a construction
>> defect can't be discounted either; that is why the warranty exists. I am
>> not advocating a witch hunt, just due diligence for something that can
>> easily send the car up in flames.
>>
>> Personally, I would feel less silly looking for a leak than I would
>> looking at the charred remains and trying to answer the question, "why
>> didn't you check it out?" To each their own.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>
> Since the OP apparently does not have the mechanical knowledge or
skills to
> look for the cause of the smell the only real solution is to take it
to the
> dealer and have it checked out for safety if nothing else.
>
>


hey, can i have another "tempest in a teakettle" drama queen over here
please? this one's simply not histrionic enough.

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:apydnTcfEOo_2zrUnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:d-2dnartW4RyUjvUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>> when a car starts, you have to dump gas because the motor is not warm,
>>>> thus the fuel doesn't fully vaporize, thus you need excess gas to get
>>>> sufficient vapor density to burn. if you dump gas, then turn the motor
>>>> off? where is the gas now? in the inlet, and /not/ being sucked into
>>>> the motor. so where does it go? it evaporates back out of the air
>>>> intake. thus you smell gas!!!
>>>>
>>>> so that's all the o.p. is experiencing - a few seconds of excess gas
>>>> because he hasn't warmed the motor. utterly trivial.
>>>>
>>> Maybe so, but it still does not rule out a gasoline leak. The risk is too
>>> great to just shrug it off.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> well, the neighbor kid could have been stealing gas too and spilled some.
>> or theoretically, the vehicle /could/ have been drilled by one of these:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_...ssive_particle
>>
>> that actually /did/ interact precisely at an injector o-ring, and is
>> subsequently just a bomb waiting to explode.
>>
>> but somehow i doubt it. just like i doubt fuel leak on a sub-year old car
>> made by a manufacturer with an excellent track record on this stuff.
>> especially when we're told that the car has been run for less than 60
>> seconds and that we know about excess mixture on start-up, etc...
>>
>> seriously dude, look at the big picture and assign probabilities.
>>
>>
> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the plastic/metal
> junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often shows up when cold
> and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite a few in my time...
> including the one that set my Nissan on fire

yeah, we get torched hondas reported here all the time!




> before I could put the new
> injector in. On a nearly new car the possibility of a construction defect
> can't be discounted either; that is why the warranty exists. I am not
> advocating a witch hunt, just due diligence for something that can easily
> send the car up in flames.

as reported by the o.p. the following day. oh, wait,...



>
> Personally, I would feel less silly looking for a leak than I would looking
> at the charred remains and trying to answer the question, "why didn't you
> check it out?" To each their own.
>
> Mike
>
>

try rebooting your machine mike - the facts indicate a logic problem.

"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the
>> plastic/metal junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often
>> shows up when cold and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite a
>> few in my time... including the one that set my Nissan on fire
>
> yeah, we get torched hondas reported here all the time!
>

The point is it certainly can happen - there is nothing inherent in Hondas
that exempt them from the possibility of engine fire. The smell of gas
(should *never* occur with port injected engines) is a big red flag.
Something is wrong.

Mike

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:Us6dnZGDE5Af-zTUnZ2dnUVZ_huWnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the
>>> plastic/metal junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often
>>> shows up when cold and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite a
>>> few in my time... including the one that set my Nissan on fire
>> yeah, we get torched hondas reported here all the time!
>>
>
> The point is it certainly can happen - there is nothing inherent in Hondas
> that exempt them from the possibility of engine fire. The smell of gas
> (should *never* occur with port injected engines) is a big red flag.
> Something is wrong.
>
> Mike
>
>

no dude - did you not read what i explained about exactly /why/ it
occurs after a very short run like this??? true, it shouldn't occur
after a warmup, and in that case, you /would/ investigate, but after a
few seconds cold? gas stink is /inevitable/, and for the reasons stated.

Thus spake jim beam <retard-trap@bad.example.net> :

>Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:d-2dnartW4RyUjvUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> when a car starts, you have to dump gas because the motor is not warm,
>>> thus the fuel doesn't fully vaporize, thus you need excess gas to get
>>> sufficient vapor density to burn. if you dump gas, then turn the motor
>>> off? where is the gas now? in the inlet, and /not/ being sucked into the
>>> motor. so where does it go? it evaporates back out of the air intake.
>>> thus you smell gas!!!
>>>
>>> so that's all the o.p. is experiencing - a few seconds of excess gas
>>> because he hasn't warmed the motor. utterly trivial.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe so, but it still does not rule out a gasoline leak. The risk is too
>> great to just shrug it off.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
>well, the neighbor kid could have been stealing gas too and spilled
>some. or theoretically, the vehicle /could/ have been drilled by one of
>these:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_...ssive_particle
>
>that actually /did/ interact precisely at an injector o-ring, and is
>subsequently just a bomb waiting to explode.
>
>but somehow i doubt it. just like i doubt fuel leak on a sub-year old
>car made by a manufacturer with an excellent track record on this stuff.
> especially when we're told that the car has been run for less than 60
>seconds and that we know about excess mixture on start-up, etc...
>
>seriously dude, look at the big picture and assign probabilities.
>

Actually, I really suspected you're observation. After all, I have
been around the block a couple of times. It's just that I've never
experienced this with modern cars. Of course, this is probably the
first time in more than a few years that I've only run a car for a few
seconds.

And yeah, an 11 month old car? A leak? If the Fit is that shitty,
maybe I should trade it in on, say, a Suburban. I'm sure they're
holding their value quite well.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only
Gold I'm thinking of.

Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie.

Thus spake ACAR <dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> :

>On Feb 25, 9:41*am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 08 Fit. *We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled
>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max.
>> When I got out, there was the strong smell of unburned gasoline. *
>
>but not so strong that you were tempted to open the hood and check for
>a fuel leak?
>
>

No. But Mr. Beam has pretty much nailed it, as far as I'm concerned.
I would think that if it were a leak, I'd smell it by the time I got
to work. Which, right now, is 1.85 miles away and takes me 5 minutes
on a good day and 7 minutes on a bad day.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only
Gold I'm thinking of.

Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake ACAR <dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com> :
>
>> On Feb 25, 9:41�am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 08 Fit. �We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled
>>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max.
>>> When I got out, there was the strong smell of unburned gasoline. �
>> but not so strong that you were tempted to open the hood and check for
>> a fuel leak?
>>
>>
>
> No. But Mr. Beam has pretty much nailed it, as far as I'm concerned.
> I would think that if it were a leak, I'd smell it by the time I got
> to work. Which, right now, is 1.85 miles away and takes me 5 minutes
> on a good day and 7 minutes on a bad day.

that kind of driving sucks for vehicle life - engine [etc] never gets to
warm thoroughly [takes about 20 minutes]. you'd do the car [and
yourself] a favor if you considered doing that commute by bike.

"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:_9KdnZhEZsIGPzTUnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:Us6dnZGDE5Af-zTUnZ2dnUVZ_huWnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the
>>>> plastic/metal junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often
>>>> shows up when cold and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite
>>>> a few in my time... including the one that set my Nissan on fire
>>> yeah, we get torched hondas reported here all the time!
>>>
>>
>> The point is it certainly can happen - there is nothing inherent in
>> Hondas that exempt them from the possibility of engine fire. The smell of
>> gas (should *never* occur with port injected engines) is a big red flag.
>> Something is wrong.
>>
>> Mike
>
> no dude - did you not read what i explained about exactly /why/ it occurs
> after a very short run like this??? true, it shouldn't occur after a
> warmup, and in that case, you /would/ investigate, but after a few seconds
> cold? gas stink is /inevitable/, and for the reasons stated.
>
>
Nope - and if you give it a try you will notice there is no gas smell unless
you have a fuel leak. In fact, it makes no difference whether the engine is
running rich (cold) or is warm. The fuel sprayed into the intake - whatever
amount - is ingested with every stroke and stops before the engine stops
turning, meaning the fuel is cleared away and never escapes.

In the old carburetor days it was common to smell fuel when cold, especially
if the engine was flooded. The fuel collected in the carb throat, more so
when cold because of the choke, and the fuel did not stop when the ignition
was turned off. TBI also injects mighty close to the outside air and can
produce a gas smell (although not what I would describe as "strong"), but
not port injection. Lord knows I've changed enough air filters after pulling
the cold car into the garage to know there is never more than a faint trace
of gas after the filter is removed, and none before.

Mike

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:_9KdnZhEZsIGPzTUnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Us6dnZGDE5Af-zTUnZ2dnUVZ_huWnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>>> I'm most suspecting fuel injector failure - separation at the
>>>>> plastic/metal junction. That can occur at any age and mileage, often
>>>>> shows up when cold and may stop leaking when warm, and I've seen quite
>>>>> a few in my time... including the one that set my Nissan on fire
>>>> yeah, we get torched hondas reported here all the time!
>>>>
>>> The point is it certainly can happen - there is nothing inherent in
>>> Hondas that exempt them from the possibility of engine fire. The smell of
>>> gas (should *never* occur with port injected engines) is a big red flag.
>>> Something is wrong.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> no dude - did you not read what i explained about exactly /why/ it occurs
>> after a very short run like this??? true, it shouldn't occur after a
>> warmup, and in that case, you /would/ investigate, but after a few seconds
>> cold? gas stink is /inevitable/, and for the reasons stated.
>>
>>
> Nope - and if you give it a try you will notice there is no gas smell unless
> you have a fuel leak. In fact, it makes no difference whether the engine is
> running rich (cold) or is warm.

rubbish.


> The fuel sprayed into the intake - whatever
> amount - is ingested with every stroke and stops before the engine stops
> turning, meaning the fuel is cleared away and never escapes.

not when the engine is cold. wet fuel lines everything south of the
injectors. and if you start, then stop immediately, it never gets warm
enough for it to instantly vaporize, therefore it /cannot/ get "cleared
away".


>
> In the old carburetor days it was common to smell fuel when cold, especially
> if the engine was flooded. The fuel collected in the carb throat, more so
> when cold because of the choke, and the fuel did not stop when the ignition
> was turned off. TBI also injects mighty close to the outside air and can
> produce a gas smell (although not what I would describe as "strong"), but
> not port injection. Lord knows I've changed enough air filters after pulling
> the cold car into the garage to know there is never more than a faint trace
> of gas after the filter is removed, and none before.
>
> Mike
>
>

then you're either not running on gasoline or you're in denial!