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Old 08 Feb 2004, 05:42 pm
PTS-EXPRESS
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Default Replace front axle lug bolts

Anyone have experience in replacing theses bolts? Its on a 2000 Civic
hatch.
While taking the right wheel off, one lug nut-bolt combo broke off;
and every single one on the left side frozed up and broke off. This
must be a manfac defect in parts siezing up. Never had an entire
wheels worth of lug bolts/nuts break right off one after another.

Back in the good days with large muscle cars equipped with discs, it
was simple enough to take off the brake caliper; peel off the center
bearing nut and everything came right out in your hand; making
knocking these broken bolts out a simple tap with a 10 pound hammer.

How goes it with a Civic and a CV axle? I don't want to mess with
trying to get the halfshaft out to get to it. I have a clear whack at
tapping the broken studs out front the front; but can it be done that
way, or is there something behind the caliper preventing this?

Finally: where do you find replacement lug bolts/nuts? Don't say
DEALER ONLY.
I know how they treasure their little parts bins as though they were
mini gold mines.
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Old 08 Feb 2004, 06:20 pm
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Default Re: Replace front axle lug bolts

PTS Express,
I would be willing to bet that the lug nuts were over tightened.
If not the last time, then sometime in the past it was over tight-
ened which made it weaker. Now, to solve the problem; I'm not
sure if the 2000 civic uses the easy to replace rotor or "the pain
in the butt" system Honda used the pain in the butt system, in the
nineties. I worked on a 97 Accord with the pain in the butt type
and you have to take the axle out out the hub and beat the life out
of it. My 2001 accord, uses the 2 screw system (yea!!!!!).

See if your hub looks like the one in the web page below. If so, bad
news. This page was a lifesaver when I went to replace the rotors. I
could not have done it with out this useful little bit of info. Unlike
the
doc, I did mine on the work bench.

http://www.federal-mogul.com/fmeconn...loads/3501.pdf

If it has two screws holding the rotor to the hub, just remove the rotor
and it is
easy.

Good luck,
chuck

PTS-EXPRESS wrote:

> Anyone have experience in replacing theses bolts? Its on a 2000 Civic
> hatch.
> While taking the right wheel off, one lug nut-bolt combo broke off;
> and every single one on the left side frozed up and broke off. This
> must be a manfac defect in parts siezing up. Never had an entire
> wheels worth of lug bolts/nuts break right off one after another.
>
> Back in the good days with large muscle cars equipped with discs, it
> was simple enough to take off the brake caliper; peel off the center
> bearing nut and everything came right out in your hand; making
> knocking these broken bolts out a simple tap with a 10 pound hammer.
>
> How goes it with a Civic and a CV axle? I don't want to mess with
> trying to get the halfshaft out to get to it. I have a clear whack at
> tapping the broken studs out front the front; but can it be done that
> way, or is there something behind the caliper preventing this?
>
> Finally: where do you find replacement lug bolts/nuts? Don't say
> DEALER ONLY.
> I know how they treasure their little parts bins as though they were
> mini gold mines.


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Old 09 Feb 2004, 03:54 am
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Default Re: Replace front axle lug bolts

PTS-EXPRESS wrote:
>
> Anyone have experience in replacing theses bolts? Its on a 2000 Civic
> hatch.
> While taking the right wheel off, one lug nut-bolt combo broke off;
> and every single one on the left side frozed up and broke off. This
> must be a manfac defect in parts siezing up. Never had an entire
> wheels worth of lug bolts/nuts break right off one after another.
>
> Back in the good days with large muscle cars equipped with discs, it
> was simple enough to take off the brake caliper; peel off the center
> bearing nut and everything came right out in your hand; making
> knocking these broken bolts out a simple tap with a 10 pound hammer.
>
> How goes it with a Civic and a CV axle? I don't want to mess with
> trying to get the halfshaft out to get to it. I have a clear whack at
> tapping the broken studs out front the front; but can it be done that
> way, or is there something behind the caliper preventing this?
>
> Finally: where do you find replacement lug bolts/nuts? Don't say
> DEALER ONLY.
> I know how they treasure their little parts bins as though they were
> mini gold mines.


Here's a link to a page that shows an exploded diagram of the 2000 Civic
front brake rotor, http://tinyurl.com/3xovq followed by a link to an
exploded diagram of the front knuckle, http://tinyurl.com/2hbbb.

From these diagrams, it looks like the rotor should be relatively easy to
remove. However, the lug studs are pressed into the hub which is pressed
into the steering knuckle along with the wheel bearing. I have not worked
on a 2000 Civic, but it may be possible to knock the lug studs out of the
hub without pressing hub free from the wheel bearing. If in doubt, you can
purchase a factory service manual from http://www.helminc.com.

Eric
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Old 09 Feb 2004, 04:16 am
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Default Re: Replace front axle lug bolts

chuck smoko wrote:
> http://www.federal-mogul.com/fmeconn...loads/3501.pdf


Do you have any info or a link to an index for these PDFs? Or perhaps a
clue to the numbering system used?

Thanks, Eric
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Old 09 Feb 2004, 09:26 am
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bet you have lug nuts that are like caps.... i had these on a 83
mustange years ago and they just about all broke off.... went to an auto
parts store like Car Quest and the guy handed me the four i needed.. it
had a stamp on the center of the stud that was "R" i asked him if that
meant Right and he said yes.. i then told him it was for the left hand
side of the car.. he laughed and said that it was for right hand
thread.. he told me that they were all the same except for the ones that
are marked "L" for left... i got a 2001 civic and have the cap type nuts
also.. you got to be careful with the guys at the tire shops they put so
much torque on the nuts that to get them off with the little tire wrench
we have you cannot remove them.. when you turn the wrench it is not
turning, but pushing down or up and not being driven in a complete
circle ( i think the term would be not concentric??)... get a good cross
shaped tire tool and you will not have any more broken bolts..
you can probably go to any old time auto parts store(not the auto zone
or the pep boys or advance auto parts)... and get them, pretty cheap,
when i got them they were like 50 cents each(some years ago)........
i would take a look at the back of the rotor to see if you have an open
space behind there that you can turn the wheel to and then just hit them
out with a large hammer and a punch.......
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Old 10 Feb 2004, 04:10 pm
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Default Re: Replace front axle lug bolts

Eric,
I found the link http://www.federal-mogul.com/ ... link via google for
"97 accord rotor" when I was working on that car a few months back.
I played with the federal-mogul link and could not find any index and
gave up.

The link that you posted would help the fellow who needs to replace the
lug studs by showing the exploded view of the 2000 civic much better
than the one I posted as that link was for a different year accord. At the
time I posted, I didn't not know which "rotor system" the 2000 civic used.
But your other post cleared that up. I hope that honda would be sadistic
enough to require removing the hub just to replace the stud.

chuck

Eric wrote:

> chuck smoko wrote:
> > http://www.federal-mogul.com/fmeconn...loads/3501.pdf

>
> Do you have any info or a link to an index for these PDFs? Or perhaps a
> clue to the numbering system used?
>
> Thanks, Eric


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Old 11 Feb 2004, 01:21 am
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chuck smoko wrote:
>
> Eric,
> I found the link http://www.federal-mogul.com/ ... link via google for
> "97 accord rotor" when I was working on that car a few months back.
> I played with the federal-mogul link and could not find any index and
> gave up.
>
> The link that you posted would help the fellow who needs to replace the
> lug studs by showing the exploded view of the 2000 civic much better
> than the one I posted as that link was for a different year accord. At
> the time I posted, I didn't not know which "rotor system" the 2000 civic
> used. But your other post cleared that up. I hope that honda would be
> sadistic enough to require removing the hub just to replace the stud.


OK, I found an index for the Federal Mogul PDFs,
http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/cha...2_5103,00.html

Most of their info is for domestic cars but there are a few listed for
Hondas. There are also a few general purpose technical documents which may
be of interest to some folks.

Eric
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