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Any ideas what this might be???

He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old sons
car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the car 3 miles
home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking spot. ie like
reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp while backing up and all
of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I put it in fwd and the car moved
but made noise. I tried reverse and small movement with loud grinding
noise, fwd again and only loud noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no fwd
or rev only this loud grinding noise.!!!

any clues on the problem and cost of repair I 'm facing?

THANK YOU!!! Jerry

Broken cv-joint or differential? Did you hear any clicking on sharp turns
in the months prior to this?

"Voyager" <Voyager_cny@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yb8Pb.44486$IQ2.17382@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Any ideas what this might be???
>
> He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old sons
> car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the car 3 miles
> home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking spot. ie like
> reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp while backing up and
all
> of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I put it in fwd and the car moved
> but made noise. I tried reverse and small movement with loud grinding
> noise, fwd again and only loud noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no
fwd
> or rev only this loud grinding noise.!!!
>
> any clues on the problem and cost of repair I 'm facing?
>
> THANK YOU!!! Jerry
>
>

Voyager wrote:
> Any ideas what this might be???
>
> He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old
> sons car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the
> car 3 miles home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking
> spot. ie like reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp
> while backing up and all of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I
> put it in fwd and the car moved but made noise. I tried reverse and
> small movement with loud grinding noise, fwd again and only loud
> noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no fwd or rev only this loud
> grinding noise.!!!

I had this on my 91 Rover 216 GSi (UK).

The front drive shaft had popped out of the wheel-hub and therefore
the drive was lost. On looking at the problem the next day, it seems
the drive shaft had tightened up when 4/5ths home during re-assembly
at the repair shop (having changed the CV joint) and the circlip
hadn't engaged. Cleaned up the ends and made sure that it went
fully home.


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I'm betting the rear upper ball joint. Relatively easy repair. I once
did one in a food store parking lot, in the dark, at 15 degree temp.
bob

dont mind that last post, it must be hard hating oneself all the time - so
he's taking out his aggression in the forum

I'd have to say it is probably the differential gears, since it finally
broke on a sharp turn as you've mentionned, that would explain the grinding
too.
The reasons you dont have any CEL codes lit is because the drive shafts and
differential do not have sensors that can trigger the odb/odb2 warning
codes, at least not to my knowledge. From what it seems, you're faced with a
costly repair.. maybe even too costly for an 89 car.
Sorry bud.

By the way I have some questions on this topic as well,
to Curly/Andew/similarly knowledgeable ppl.
Before retard_hater blasts me away with his replies, I'd like to know how
hard is a front differential replacement?
Is it doable by a beginner mechanic? Is it fairly safe to try to do it, or
can I easily screw up to a point of no return? We would be 2 ppl to try to
do it, both with very limited knowledge of car mechanics.
I'm asking because a friend of mine is having similar problems to the ones
mentionned in this post.




"Voyager" <Voyager_cny@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yb8Pb.44486$IQ2.17382@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Any ideas what this might be???
>
> He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old sons
> car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the car 3 miles
> home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking spot. ie like
> reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp while backing up and
all
> of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I put it in fwd and the car moved
> but made noise. I tried reverse and small movement with loud grinding
> noise, fwd again and only loud noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no
fwd
> or rev only this loud grinding noise.!!!
>
> any clues on the problem and cost of repair I 'm facing?
>
> THANK YOU!!! Jerry
>
>

heh, i didnt mean jafir when in my last post, i guess the one i was talking
about was removed

"Yuri Nebogatov" <alexneb@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:bzdPb.92921$7X3.1630415@weber.videotron.net.. .
> dont mind that last post, it must be hard hating oneself all the time - so
> he's taking out his aggression in the forum
>
> I'd have to say it is probably the differential gears, since it finally
> broke on a sharp turn as you've mentionned, that would explain the
grinding
> too.
> The reasons you dont have any CEL codes lit is because the drive shafts
and
> differential do not have sensors that can trigger the odb/odb2 warning
> codes, at least not to my knowledge. From what it seems, you're faced with
a
> costly repair.. maybe even too costly for an 89 car.
> Sorry bud.
>
> By the way I have some questions on this topic as well,
> to Curly/Andew/similarly knowledgeable ppl.
> Before retard_hater blasts me away with his replies, I'd like to know how
> hard is a front differential replacement?
> Is it doable by a beginner mechanic? Is it fairly safe to try to do it, or
> can I easily screw up to a point of no return? We would be 2 ppl to try to
> do it, both with very limited knowledge of car mechanics.
> I'm asking because a friend of mine is having similar problems to the ones
> mentionned in this post.
>
>
>
>
> "Voyager" <Voyager_cny@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yb8Pb.44486$IQ2.17382@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Any ideas what this might be???
> >
> > He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old
sons
> > car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the car 3
miles
> > home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking spot. ie like
> > reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp while backing up and
> all
> > of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I put it in fwd and the car
moved
> > but made noise. I tried reverse and small movement with loud grinding
> > noise, fwd again and only loud noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no
> fwd
> > or rev only this loud grinding noise.!!!
> >
> > any clues on the problem and cost of repair I 'm facing?
> >
> > THANK YOU!!! Jerry
> >
> >
>
>

"Yuri Nebogatov" <alexneb@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:bzdPb.92921$7X3.1630415@weber.videotron.net.. .
> dont mind that last post, it must be hard hating oneself all the time - so
> he's taking out his aggression in the forum
>
> I'd have to say it is probably the differential gears, since it finally
> broke on a sharp turn as you've mentionned, that would explain the
grinding
> too.

Broken CV joint. Diff gears don't know if the car is turning or not.


> The reasons you dont have any CEL codes lit is because the drive shafts
and
> differential do not have sensors that can trigger the odb/odb2 warning
> codes, at least not to my knowledge. From what it seems, you're faced with
a
> costly repair.. maybe even too costly for an 89 car.

$100 for a rebuilt axle.

> Sorry bud.
>
> By the way I have some questions on this topic as well,
> to Curly/Andew/similarly knowledgeable ppl.
> Before retard_hater blasts me away with his replies, I'd like to know how
> hard is a front differential replacement?
> Is it doable by a beginner mechanic?

Yes.

Is it fairly safe to try to do it, or
> can I easily screw up to a point of no return?

Naw. Just think it through, and get busy.

We would be 2 ppl to try to
> do it, both with very limited knowledge of car mechanics.
> I'm asking because a friend of mine is having similar problems to the ones
> mentionned in this post.
>
>
>
>
> "Voyager" <Voyager_cny@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yb8Pb.44486$IQ2.17382@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Any ideas what this might be???
> >
> > He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old
sons
> > car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the car 3
miles
> > home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking spot. ie like
> > reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp while backing up and
> all
> > of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I put it in fwd and the car
moved
> > but made noise. I tried reverse and small movement with loud grinding
> > noise, fwd again and only loud noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no
> fwd
> > or rev only this loud grinding noise.!!!
> >
> > any clues on the problem and cost of repair I 'm facing?
> >
> > THANK YOU!!! Jerry
> >
> >
>
>

In article <100qafuipfr4314@corp.supernews.com>, Jafir Elkurd
<jafir@nospam.no.spam.hotpop.com> wrote:

> Broken cv-joint or differential? Did you hear any clicking on sharp turns
> in the months prior to this?
>
im not so convinced that it is the cv, when one of those goes it is
quite abrupt and no grinding involded, just look at both of the drive
shafts going to the wheels, if one is hanging down and not connected it
broken. it is probally the differential as Jafir said

Andrew

>to Curly/Andew/similarly knowledgeable ppl.
>Before retard_hater blasts me away with his replies, I'd like to know how
>hard is a front differential replacement?
>Is it doable by a beginner mechanic? Is it fairly safe to try to do it, or
>can I easily screw up to a point of no return? We would be 2 ppl to try to
>do it, both with very limited knowledge of car mechanics.
>I'm asking because a friend of mine is having similar problems to the ones
>mentionned in this post.

Just put the front end on a pair of jackstands and take the wheels off
(for visibility). Start the engine and put it into gear. You should
be able to differentiate driveshaft and/or hub problems from internal
trans problems. Don't bother trying to replace the diff: get a
guaranteed used transaxle from a boneyard.
Just had a thought (imagine that??!!) It could also be that the clutch
disintegrated. I replaced one about 9 months ago in an old Acura
where the damper springs all fell out of the clutch disc and made some
pretty horrible noises...also, the car barely moved.

Thanks for the help so far, some good ideas.

Sorry I forgot to mention it was an Automatic Trans.

Also... I live in Syracuse Ny and the weather sucks for working on a car.
COLD and snowing every day....
I have to clean out the garage tomorrow and take a look.


"Voyager" <Voyager_cny@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yb8Pb.44486$IQ2.17382@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Any ideas what this might be???
>
> He's the story... 1989 Honda Accord 125,000 miles, it's my 18 yr old sons
> car. I had 4 snows mounted at Sams club for him. I drove the car 3 miles
> home. The next day I was backing out of a tight parking spot. ie like
> reverse of a parellel parking. Turning very sharp while backing up and
all
> of the sudden I heard a loud grinding. I put it in fwd and the car move
> but made noise. I tried reverse and small movement with loud grinding
> noise, fwd again and only loud noise and grinding. Now nothing.... no
fwd
> or rev only this loud grinding noise.!!!
>
> any clues on the problem and cost of repair I 'm facing?
>
> THANK YOU!!! Jerry
>
>