Honda Car Forum

Wow, Steve, looks like I struck a nerve. Sorry.

The truth is, some people put safety as a high priority, some people don't.
That's called making a choice, Steve.

Given the choice of two vehicles in the same class, one which offers better
safety than the other, the choice would be pretty simple to me. But hey,
like I said, I'm wierd that way, I value safety (and fuel economy) above
other aspects. Yes, by the way, I DO own the safest vehicle in my car's
class, thank you for asking.

Yes, the quip I made was a little silly, though there certainly is some
truth in it... if safety is that important to people, with a few exceptions,
they wouldn't buy SUVs. Now, some people are willing to take the chance
that something bad will not happen to them... and odds are, that's a good
bet. On the other hand, I choose differently.

Again, I apologize for hitting a nerve... but you really shouldn't let
someone's opinion get you in such a froth. Cheers.

"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote in message
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> So then, is your car absolutely the SAFEST rated car out there then?
> I didn't think so.
>
> But, if you were so much concerned about the safety of your family, so
> much more so than all the SUV buyers as you have claimed, then
> wouldn't you buy a car out there with the SAFEST rating, with all the
> latest passenger protection features, such as the side and ceiling air
> curtains, the side impact airbags, the anti-rollover systems, the
> anti-skil control system and etc?
>
> Does your car have all those features? No? Oh, how come????
> Wouldn't you be driving your family in a car with all those safety
> features since you said you were so concerned with your family's
> safety? Would this mean then, that you care less about your family's
> safety than those people who are indeed driving around in a car with
> all those safety features I mentioned? By your logic and claim, yes,
> it would make you to be a less caring father and husband since you're
> not driving a car equipped with ALL those safety features.
>
> Hard to argue with that, right? After all, it's your own logic and
> implication you expressed yourself.
>
> Lemme teach you something. You see, sarcasm only works when you're in
> the right. SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS though, will always make you out to
> look like an idiot. You're right about one thing though, you are
> ****ing weird.
>
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:59:57 GMT, "Mark" <mark@particlesalad.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I guess you're right... chances are, if people are really intrested in
> >safety, they wouldn't usually buy an SUV to begin with.
> >
> >That said, safety IS very important for me and my family, but hey, I'm
wierd
> >that way.
> >
> >"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote in message
> >news:brifmv0ka431gfk0sv8jb7utfauk4u524j@4ax.com.. .
> >> I guess I am. But it's not as though there's a hug disparity between
> >> MDX's and Pilot's safety ratings. Would you agree? Very marginal at
> >> the most. There are people out there who recommend other SUV's which
> >> has far inferior safety ratings over the Pilot and worse yet, there
> >> are countless out there that drive them.

Oh, man, Mark, I'm sincerely sorry for going off like that on you. I
really am. I guess I just received your remarks too much in a
negative way, which you didn't intend. My going off like that is a
bad habit held over from the old days when flame wars on newsgroups or
bbs's was a common, everyday occurrence.

Whenever I get even a small whiff of something that resembles an
unwarranted criticism, then the ugly side of me rears its head.

Anyhoo, thanks for your apology and please accecpt mine. Ciao!

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:12:36 GMT, "Mark" <mark@particlesalad.com>
wrote:

>Wow, Steve, looks like I struck a nerve. Sorry.
>
>The truth is, some people put safety as a high priority, some people don't.
>That's called making a choice, Steve.
>
>Given the choice of two vehicles in the same class, one which offers better
>safety than the other, the choice would be pretty simple to me. But hey,
>like I said, I'm wierd that way, I value safety (and fuel economy) above
>other aspects. Yes, by the way, I DO own the safest vehicle in my car's
>class, thank you for asking.
>
>Yes, the quip I made was a little silly, though there certainly is some
>truth in it... if safety is that important to people, with a few exceptions,
>they wouldn't buy SUVs. Now, some people are willing to take the chance
>that something bad will not happen to them... and odds are, that's a good
>bet. On the other hand, I choose differently.
>
>Again, I apologize for hitting a nerve... but you really shouldn't let
>someone's opinion get you in such a froth. Cheers.

Cool...

"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, man, Mark, I'm sincerely sorry for going off like that on you. I
> really am. I guess I just received your remarks too much in a
> negative way, which you didn't intend. My going off like that is a
> bad habit held over from the old days when flame wars on newsgroups or
> bbs's was a common, everyday occurrence.
>
> Whenever I get even a small whiff of something that resembles an
> unwarranted criticism, then the ugly side of me rears its head.
>
> Anyhoo, thanks for your apology and please accecpt mine. Ciao!

Hey, Steve:

You DA MAN !!! Your choice of either an MDX or Pilot are great....you will
still be smiling when you either trade or sell your Pilot in 3, 5 or 10
years...you'll definitely make out better than an Explorer, Jeep Grand
Cherokee, Montero, Isuzu Trooper and other similar sized (non-comparable)
SUV's....

My 2 cents.

Vinnie
==========
"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, man, Mark, I'm sincerely sorry for going off like that on you. I
> really am. I guess I just received your remarks too much in a
> negative way, which you didn't intend. My going off like that is a
> bad habit held over from the old days when flame wars on newsgroups or
> bbs's was a common, everyday occurrence.
>
> Whenever I get even a small whiff of something that resembles an
> unwarranted criticism, then the ugly side of me rears its head.
>
> Anyhoo, thanks for your apology and please accecpt mine. Ciao!
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:12:36 GMT, "Mark" <mark@particlesalad.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Wow, Steve, looks like I struck a nerve. Sorry.
> >
> >The truth is, some people put safety as a high priority, some people
don't.
> >That's called making a choice, Steve.
> >
> >Given the choice of two vehicles in the same class, one which offers
better
> >safety than the other, the choice would be pretty simple to me. But hey,
> >like I said, I'm wierd that way, I value safety (and fuel economy) above
> >other aspects. Yes, by the way, I DO own the safest vehicle in my car's
> >class, thank you for asking.
> >
> >Yes, the quip I made was a little silly, though there certainly is some
> >truth in it... if safety is that important to people, with a few
exceptions,
> >they wouldn't buy SUVs. Now, some people are willing to take the chance
> >that something bad will not happen to them... and odds are, that's a good
> >bet. On the other hand, I choose differently.
> >
> >Again, I apologize for hitting a nerve... but you really shouldn't let
> >someone's opinion get you in such a froth. Cheers.
>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:00:00 GMT, "vinniemak" <vinniemak@netzero.net>
wrote:

>Hey, Steve:
>
>You DA MAN !!! Your choice of either an MDX or Pilot are great....you will
>still be smiling when you either trade or sell your Pilot in 3, 5 or 10
>years...you'll definitely make out better than an Explorer, Jeep Grand
>Cherokee, Montero, Isuzu Trooper and other similar sized (non-comparable)
>SUV's....
>
>My 2 cents.

Very good points. This guy from church I know just bought a brand new
Jeep Cherokee Ltd. and only 2 weeks after he bought it, the car
refused to remain running after he started the ignition. The car
would start, but only a few seconds after, it'd just turn off all by
itself. So far, he's had it at the dealer more than he's driven it.
Everytime the car was supposedly fixed, samething would happen later
that day or the nextday. One time, it even happened on the dealer lot
when he was there to pick up his car.

Up here in Canada, there's no such thing as a "Lemon Law", so he's
asked for either a another car or for a refund and so far, the
dealer's been asking him for more time to properly fix it. He said
he's gonna talk to a lawyer about it, but I really felt bad for him.
I mean, things like that thoroughly ruins the new car ownership
experience.

SUV's roll over. Get a car instead.
"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:00:00 GMT, "vinniemak" <vinniemak@netzero.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hey, Steve:
> >
> >You DA MAN !!! Your choice of either an MDX or Pilot are great....you
will
> >still be smiling when you either trade or sell your Pilot in 3, 5 or 10
> >years...you'll definitely make out better than an Explorer, Jeep Grand
> >Cherokee, Montero, Isuzu Trooper and other similar sized (non-comparable)
> >SUV's....
> >
> >My 2 cents.
>
> Very good points. This guy from church I know just bought a brand new
> Jeep Cherokee Ltd. and only 2 weeks after he bought it, the car
> refused to remain running after he started the ignition. The car
> would start, but only a few seconds after, it'd just turn off all by
> itself. So far, he's had it at the dealer more than he's driven it.
> Everytime the car was supposedly fixed, samething would happen later
> that day or the nextday. One time, it even happened on the dealer lot
> when he was there to pick up his car.
>
> Up here in Canada, there's no such thing as a "Lemon Law", so he's
> asked for either a another car or for a refund and so far, the
> dealer's been asking him for more time to properly fix it. He said
> he's gonna talk to a lawyer about it, but I really felt bad for him.
> I mean, things like that thoroughly ruins the new car ownership
> experience.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:58:43 GMT, "Bob Burns" <rlburns@uplink.net>
wrote:

>I thought they were the same car, with only trim differences.

Actually, they are not. Not the same footprint, but are very similar.
Pilot is wider, MDX is longer. Same drivetrain, but the MDX gets more
horsepower out of the same engine.

The Pilot is made by Isuzu?

Umm... it's a HONDA!!


On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:11:12 GMT, Ed <do.not@spam.me> wrote:

>"Romy Beeck" <romy@excel.net> wrote in
>news:vmgo2m6pihcd74@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> THE PILOT SEATS 8 PEOPLE
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob Burns" <rlburns@uplink.net> wrote in message
>> news:T%X9b.26903$Aq2.9039@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>>> I thought they were the same car, with only trim differences.
>>>
>
>
>I took a short ride in the '03 Pilot the other day. It is surprisingly
>luxurious (for a truck) with the better trim models, has a DVD player etc.
>I believe it is made by Isuzu.
>
>
>You should take a test drive of both vehicles before you decide.

The earlier "Passport" was made by Isuzu for Honda. Pilot and MDX
are Hondas. Check your C.Reports repair ratings etc. and the IIHS crash
tests .. . if they've tested them >> http://www.iihs.org/

"Clay" <tinsleyc@nospampleasehotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Pilot is made by Isuzu?
>
> Umm... it's a HONDA!!
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:11:12 GMT, Ed <do.not@spam.me> wrote:
>
> >"Romy Beeck" <romy@excel.net> wrote in
> >news:vmgo2m6pihcd74@corp.supernews.com:
> >
> >> THE PILOT SEATS 8 PEOPLE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Bob Burns" <rlburns@uplink.net> wrote in message
> >> news:T%X9b.26903$Aq2.9039@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> >>> I thought they were the same car, with only trim differences.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >I took a short ride in the '03 Pilot the other day. It is surprisingly
> >luxurious (for a truck) with the better trim models, has a DVD player
etc.
> >I believe it is made by Isuzu.
> >
> >
> >You should take a test drive of both vehicles before you decide.
>