Honda Car Forum

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:48:02 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 6, 10:39*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Siskuwihane wrote:
>> > On Oct 6, 3:20 pm, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> >> I was going to get two new tires for my 91 Accord at Costco. They will
>> >> only mount new tires on the rear if you only get two. Apparently a
>> >> study tells them that the better tires should be on the rear to
>> >> prevent fishtailing. Odd, I would think that the front would be
>> >> better, having the steering, power, and brakes. So which is better?
>>
>> > New on the rear and here's why...
>>
>> > From Tire Rack:
>>
>> >http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52
>>
>> > Intuition suggests that since the front tires wore out first and
>> > because there is still about half of the tread remaining on the rear
>> > tires, the new tires should be installed on the front axle. This will
>> > provide more wet and wintry traction; and by the time the front tires
>> > have worn out for the second time, the rear tires will be worn out,
>> > too. However in this case, intuition isn't right...and following it
>> > can be downright dangerous.
>>
>> > When tires are replaced in pairs in situations like these, the new
>> > tires should always be installed on the rear axle and the partially
>> > worn tires moved to the front. The reason is because new tires on the
>> > rear axle help the driver more easily maintain control on wet roads
>> > since deeper treaded tires are better at resisting hydroplaning.
>>
>> > Members of Tire Rack team had the chance to experience this phenomenon
>> > at Michelin's Laurens Proving Grounds. Participants were allowed to
>> > drive around a large radius, wet curve in vehicles fitted with tires
>> > of different tread depths -- one vehicle with new tires on the rear
>> > and half-worn tires on the front and the other with the new tires in
>> > the front and half-worn tires on the rear.
>>
>> > It didn't take long for this hands-on experience to confirm that the
>> > "proving grounds" name for the facility was correct. The ability to
>> > sense and control predictable understeer with the new tires on the
>> > rear and the helplessness in trying to control the surprising
>> > oversteer
>>
>> oversteer on a honda???? *obviously they're not talking about fwd vehicles.
>
>Obviously they are talking about old tire position and wet conditons
>causing the oversteer (which is fully explained in the link that was
>provided). Michelin tests were done using FWD vehicles and are
>available on their website videos.
>
>http://www.michelinman.ca/care/buy_how.html#a3
>
>Contact them if you want to argue the results.
>
>
>

How about if I don't use michelin tires? Nah, I suppose it's the same.

I did skid a few weeks ago on a wet road while approaching an exit too
fast, which was one reason I was thinking of new tires. The article
explained it well; the front is hydroplaning a bit and it was easy to
control. Many years ago I fishtailed going around a curve and it was
much harder to control. For those familiar with New York roads, it was
that nasty curve heading into the Bronx over the Whitestone Bridge,
past the tool booths, leading onto the Cross Bronx Expressway.

There are often spinouts on that curve.

dgk wrote:
>
> I did skid a few weeks ago on a wet road while approaching an exit too
> fast, which was one reason I was thinking of new tires. The article
> explained it well; the front is hydroplaning a bit and it was easy to
> control. Many years ago I fishtailed going around a curve and it was
> much harder to control. For those familiar with New York roads, it was
> that nasty curve heading into the Bronx over the Whitestone Bridge,
> past the tool booths, leading onto the Cross Bronx Expressway.
>
> There are often spinouts on that curve.

Slow down and drive responsibly.

On Oct 6, 3:37*pm, "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLE...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> New tires on rear is correct.
>
> "dgk" <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>
> newsvoke4pjigefmdsp259pithjjqoe7q1gf2@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> >I was going to get two new tires for my 91 Accord at Costco. They will
> > only mount new tires on the rear if you only get two. Apparently a
> > study tells them that the better tires should be on the rear to
> > prevent fishtailing. Odd, I would think that the front would be
> > better, having the steering, power, and brakes. So which is better?
>
> > I decided my tires are good enough for a while longer and left. I had
> > gotten a flat and decided that maybe I should just get new tires.
> > Oddly, the place I went to to fix the flat (Costco would only fix
> > flats on their tires!) couldn't find a hole. I must have bumped a curb
> > or something and caused the leak.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the exception being when you are getting tires which aren't the same
as the old ones, and have less grip; like when you have purchased the
road hazard warranty from firestone and two tires get hazarded at the
same time but for some reason the factory hasn't got any potenzas
available anywhere so they give you a couple of other bridgestones to
fulfill your road hazard warranty, but i digress.

anyway, they insisted on putting the new tires on the rear, and it was
definitely squiggly feeling, especially in the rain; putting the new
tires on the front and the old potenzas on the rear improved the
stability a lot at the cost of the front losing grip and the car
having serious terminal understeer, especially in the wet.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:24:13 -0300, Brian Smith
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>>
>> I did skid a few weeks ago on a wet road while approaching an exit too
>> fast, which was one reason I was thinking of new tires. The article
>> explained it well; the front is hydroplaning a bit and it was easy to
>> control. Many years ago I fishtailed going around a curve and it was
>> much harder to control. For those familiar with New York roads, it was
>> that nasty curve heading into the Bronx over the Whitestone Bridge,
>> past the tool booths, leading onto the Cross Bronx Expressway.
>>
>> There are often spinouts on that curve.
>
> Slow down and drive responsibly.

Yup, I've been driving for 40 years so I'm pretty calm these days.
Still, it's best to have good tires.

dgk wrote:
>
> Yup, I've been driving for 40 years so I'm pretty calm these days.
> Still, it's best to have good tires.

Agreed. But even with good tires, there is no substitute for driving
within the capability of yourself, the vehicle and the weather and road
conditions.