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Old 03 Sep 2008, 02:54 am
Timothy Stoughton
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Default civic diesel

is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?

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Old 03 Sep 2008, 01:32 pm
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:54:15 -0700, bootsie@webtv.net (Timothy
Stoughton) wrote:

>is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?


There already is a Honda Civic Diesel, just not available in the USA
(yet).
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Old 03 Sep 2008, 02:41 pm
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On 3 Sep, 08:54, boot...@webtv.net (Timothy Stoughton) wrote:
> is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?


http://www.honda.co.uk/car/ and choose the Civic and look at the 2.2
CDTI
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Old 03 Sep 2008, 04:29 pm
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Default Re: civic diesel

Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

Evan Platt wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:54:15 -0700, bootsie@webtv.net (Timothy
>Stoughton) wrote:
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>
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>>is it true the civic will get a diesel in 2010?
>>
>>

>
>There already is a Honda Civic Diesel, just not available in the USA
>(yet).
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>

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Old 04 Sep 2008, 03:11 pm
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"ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?


Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very hard
to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with strong
winters.

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Old 04 Sep 2008, 10:10 pm
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Default Re: civic diesel

Pszemol wrote:
> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

>
> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very
> hard to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with
> strong winters.


what has winter got to do with it? don't you have diesel trucks and
diesel trains and diesel generators up north?
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Old 05 Sep 2008, 12:48 am
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Default Re: civic diesel


On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:05 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com>
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>"ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel. net...
>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

>
>Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very hard
>to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with strong
>winters.

Diesel is more expensive but the mileage from diesel autos is about
30% greater than a similar gasolene fuel vehicle. The problem is
diesel engines cost more than gas engines. In Europe it is generally
considered that over 20,000 miles per year a diesel auto becomes
cheaper to run and own than a gas power vehicle.
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Old 05 Sep 2008, 05:49 am
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"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote in
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> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

>
> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline.




North America does not aggressively favor diesel with lower taxes the way
much of Europe does.




> It will be
> very hard to sell diesel car in USA





Don't overlook the "green" factor. Hybrids are so expensive you'll never
recover the extra purchase price in fuel savings, but the Prius is awfully
popular on account of its "green" image.

I can see the Prius demographic also flocking to diesels as the new
"green" image cars. Such people often have a strong desire to wear their
"greenness" as a fashion statement, and I suspect the new diesels would be
marketed as such.



> especially in the northern states
> with strong winters.
>



Diesels are much better in cold weather than they used to be. I believe the
only two makers that sell diesel cars in Canada are Smart and Volkswagen.
Nobody seems to have any trouble getting them started in the winter up
here.


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Old 05 Sep 2008, 08:35 am
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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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>> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline.

>
>
>
> North America does not aggressively favor diesel with lower taxes the way
> much of Europe does.


Regardless of the reason for the fact, the fact is that it is more
expensive.


>> It will be
>> very hard to sell diesel car in USA

>
>
>
>
> Don't overlook the "green" factor. Hybrids are so expensive you'll never
> recover the extra purchase price in fuel savings, but the Prius is awfully
> popular on account of its "green" image.
>
> I can see the Prius demographic also flocking to diesels as the new
> "green" image cars. Such people often have a strong desire to wear their
> "greenness" as a fashion statement, and I suspect the new diesels would be
> marketed as such.



I do not see how diesel is any greener than a regular gasoline...
Do they really have lower emissions than gasoline engines? I doubt it...


>> especially in the northern states
>> with strong winters.
>>

>
>
> Diesels are much better in cold weather than they used to be.



Maybe they are, but anybody owning in the past an older diesel with some of
the engine compression lost will have very bad memories :-)


> I believe the
> only two makers that sell diesel cars in Canada are Smart and Volkswagen.
> Nobody seems to have any trouble getting them started in the winter up
> here.



I am not that surprised about Canada... They solved the winter car problems
long time ago. Engine block heater is a standard equipment in Canadian cars.
I visited Calgary some time ago and I saw almost every public parking lot
had 120VAC sockets to plug your car in, even when parked for an hour or two
for shopping in front of a mall. In USA, situation is much different, at
least in Chicago.

I consider installing such a device in my 2004 accord coupe. I live in
Chicago suburbs and winter can be harsh enough for this device to be useful
if your car is parked outside overnight. Especially that original honda
parts cost below $50 and some other brands even less than that. The only
problem is that I could use it only in front of my building - 120VAC sockets
are not that popular in Chicago, unfortunatelly.

Here are installing instructions for V6
http://www.handa-accessories.com/acc...LOCKHEATER.pdf
I saw somewhere similar paper for 4-cyl version.


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Old 05 Sep 2008, 08:35 am
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Pszemol wrote:
>> "ecarecar" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:w4ydnVz9F9pUnCLVnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
>>> Come on! Americans already use so little oil, why bother?

>>
>> Diesel fuel is more expensive in USA from the gasoline. It will be very
>> hard to sell diesel car in USA especially in the northern states with
>> strong winters.

>
> what has winter got to do with it? don't you have diesel trucks and
> diesel trains and diesel generators up north?


I am guessing you have never own a small diesel engine in a passenger car,
so you have no idea how much pain it is during freezing weather...

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