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I just had my first oil change at the dealer. I had looked at the factory
filter before the work was done. The new filter is blue like the old one,
but the diameter looks much smaller...this sound right?

Anyone have the part # it should be?

Nobody wrote:
>
> I just had my first oil change at the dealer. I had looked at the factory
> filter before the work was done. The new filter is blue like the old one,
> but the diameter looks much smaller...this sound right?
>

Yes, according to a dealer parts tech I spoke with recently, Honda has
superseded the old filters with the newer smaller ones. The mounting flange is
the same. However, this parts tech was uncertain if the filter media had
changed or just the size of the can. It's likely that both have changed. One
thing of interest that he did mention to me was that the supplier for the new
smaller filters was Fram (made in Canada) and that the Filtech filters (made in
USA) will not be available in the smaller size. He also seemed doubtful that
the older style Filtech filters would continue to be available for much longer.

Eric

Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:<3F53E0C2.2B4D497C@spam.now>...
> Nobody wrote:
One
> thing of interest that he did mention to me was that the supplier for the new
> smaller filters was Fram (made in Canada) and that the Filtech filters (made in
> USA) will not be available in the smaller size. He also seemed doubtful that
> the older style Filtech filters would continue to be available for much longer.


I've suspected this for some time. The much superior filter will be
phased out in favor of the cardboard specials.

Thanks, but I'd use a Hastings LF-402 instead.

--- Bror Jace

If you want ..
to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
problems.
to make your engine oil cleaner.
to reduce engine wear and friction.
to extend your engine and transmission life.

then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
http://www.turbo-mag.ca


"Bror Jace" <brorjace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message
news:<3F53E0C2.2B4D497C@spam.now>...
> > Nobody wrote:
> One
> > thing of interest that he did mention to me was that the supplier for
the new
> > smaller filters was Fram (made in Canada) and that the Filtech filters
(made in
> > USA) will not be available in the smaller size. He also seemed doubtful
that
> > the older style Filtech filters would continue to be available for much
longer.
>
>
> I've suspected this for some time. The much superior filter will be
> phased out in favor of the cardboard specials.
>
> Thanks, but I'd use a Hastings LF-402 instead.
>
> --- Bror Jace

Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the smaller
one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
other filter but in a smaller package.
"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93E71C31EB00XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.167 ...
> I just had my first oil change at the dealer. I had looked at the factory
> filter before the work was done. The new filter is blue like the old one,
> but the diameter looks much smaller...this sound right?
>
> Anyone have the part # it should be?

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> If you want ..
> to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> problems.
> to make your engine oil cleaner.
> to reduce engine wear and friction.
> to extend your engine and transmission life.
>
> then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> http://www.turbo-mag.ca
>


99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth it.

Chip

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> If you want ..
> to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> problems.
> to make your engine oil cleaner.
> to reduce engine wear and friction.
> to extend your engine and transmission life.
>
> then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> http://www.turbo-mag.ca
>


99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth it.

Chip

"Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > If you want ..
> > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> > problems.
> > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> >
> > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> >
>
>
> 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
it.
>
> Chip

Thank you for your opinoins...

Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
stuck/broken piston rings etc...

Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
-----------------------------------------
2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
80% city/20% highway driving
Miles on engine, 26000
miles on oil, 7200
No makeup oil added
OEM paper air filter
SDF-57 oil filter

Wear Metals

Fe, 21 ppm
Cr, 0 ppm
Pb, 4 ppm
Cu, 8 ppm
Sn, 1 ppm
Al, 9 ppm
Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
------------------------------------------
1999 Honda Civic
106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
0w30 Castrol Syntec
5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
No fuel or oil additives
NAPA Gold oil filter
OEM air filter
Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
Average of 366 miles per week
No top up oil
Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
This car is driven mostly on the highway
(but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30

Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
8000 miles 5500 miles
..
Iron 19 14
Lead 10 4.5
Aluminum 5.2 2.5
Copper 3.8 3.0
Silicon 8 11
Nickel 0.1 0
Chromium 3 0.8
Titanium 0.1 0
Tin 0.2 0
Silver 0.4 0.2
Vanadium 0.2 0
Potassium 0 0
------------------------------------------

Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
parts.

Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
don't have enough strength,
also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
with high temperature from engine block and oil.

Try to use the oil filter magnet
after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
then you'll see what is in it for sure.
Simply, It works.

BE.

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message news:<qqydnbZLxOC1x8WiU-KYgw@magma.ca>...
> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> > "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > > If you want ..
> > > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> > > problems.
> > > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> > >
> > > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> > >
> >
> >
> > 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
> it.
> >

What are the
> > Chip
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.

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To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or the
filter?

Hi,
My understanding is engine wear mostly occurs when you start engine
(particularly in COLD) There is such a thing like oil primer.
You install an electric driven pump which will circulate oil before
you start engine. The first few seconds until the oil starts circulating
after engine starts running is the damaging time.
But no matter what, regualr oil/filter change will go a long way.
Tony

BE wrote:

> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
>
>>"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
>
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
>
>>>If you want ..
>>>to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
>>>problems.
>>>to make your engine oil cleaner.
>>>to reduce engine wear and friction.
>>>to extend your engine and transmission life.
>>>
>>>then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
>>>http://www.turbo-mag.ca
>>>
>>
>>
>> 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
>
> it.
>
>> Chip
>
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.
>
>