Honda Car Forum


 

Go Back   Honda Car Forum - Accord Parts Civic Tuning Acura Racing > Honda Acura > Honda 2

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 06:31 am
Runtime Error
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit selling
pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100% petrol any more.

As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it used to
be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate 2-3 times a
month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....

Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for adulterated
fuel that doesn't give you full value??


Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 07:38 am
jim beam
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

Runtime Error wrote:
> Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit selling
> pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100% petrol any more.
>
> As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
> increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it used to
> be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate 2-3 times a
> month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....
>
> Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for adulterated
> fuel that doesn't give you full value??


the bit i like is actually paying /more/ for the privilege of this lower
energy/lower mileage gasoline!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 03:18 pm
Just Me
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"


"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:vuudnX1efKcVZC7VnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Runtime Error wrote:
>> Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit
>> selling pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100% petrol
>> any more.
>>
>> As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
>> increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it used
>> to be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate 2-3 times
>> a month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....
>>
>> Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for adulterated
>> fuel that doesn't give you full value??

>
> the bit i like is actually paying /more/ for the privilege of this lower
> energy/lower mileage gasoline!


Don't worry Obama is going to change all that. Or at least that's what I
thought I heard him say in a commercial. And we all know that politicians
always tell the truth.

Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 03:23 pm
C. E. White
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"


"Runtime Error" <bsod@nospam> wrote in message
news:HbidnRBln-oTdC7VnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@comcast.com...
> Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit
> selling pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100% petrol
> any more.
>
> As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
> increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it used
> to be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate 2-3 times a
> month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....
>
> Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for adulterated
> fuel that doesn't give you full value??


I don't know where you live, but the addition of ethanol may be a government
mandate. It is also possible the price of the fuel is lower than it would
have been for 100% gasoline (but I don't know how you would tell, since the
price of gasoline fluctuates on a daily basis). I am surprised you are
claiming a 10%+ reduction in fuel economy. A small reduction is usual.
Theoretically ethanol has about 85% of the energy in gasoline. So a 90%
gasoline/10% ethanol blend should have about 98.5% as much energy as 100%
gasoline. Assuming your car is operating properly, the fuel economy should
only go down by at most 3%. Older, carbureted cars, can have real problems
with 10% ethanol fuels, but modern fuel injected cars as new as your should
handle it easily with a minimal effect on fuel economy. In some cases the
reduction is even less that would be predicted by the reduction in energy
content because the ethanol tainted fuel sometimes has a higher octane
rating than 100% regular gasoline, which allows the engines PCM to advance
the timing and partially compensate for the lower energy content by
increasing the engine's efficiency slightly.

At any rate, the fuel is what it is. It is not "adulterated." If the
addition of ethanol is mandated by the government, you can't blame the fuel
dealers. If it isn't, then you need to shop around for 100% gasoline
(whatever that is - since gasoline itself is a blend of numerous compounds).

I suspect if you keep careful records, you will find you mileage has not
decreased by 10%. As for the price, unless you can find 100% gasoline in
your area, how do you know that they aren't charging less for the E10 than
for 100% gasoline?

Ed


Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 03:24 pm
SMS
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

Runtime Error wrote:
> Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit selling
> pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100% petrol any more.
>
> As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
> increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it used to
> be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate 2-3 times a
> month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....
>
> Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for adulterated
> fuel that doesn't give you full value??


No one ever tried to market the 10% Ethanol fuel as better than pure
petrol. It's only because of the federal tax credit that it's being used
as an octane enhancer (other than in states where it's being used as an
alternative to MTBE).


Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 05:25 pm
Rocinante
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

On Aug 26, 4:18*pm, "Just Me" <Jus...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>
> news:vuudnX1efKcVZC7VnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
> > Runtime Error wrote:
> >> Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit
> >> selling pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100% petrol
> >> any more.

>
> >> As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
> >> increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it used
> >> to be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate 2-3 times
> >> a month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....

>
> >> Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for adulterated
> >> fuel that doesn't give you full value??

>
> > the bit i like is actually paying /more/ for the privilege of this lower
> > energy/lower mileage gasoline!

>
> Don't worry Obama is going to change all that. *Or at least that's whatI
> thought I heard him say in a commercial. *And we all know that politicians
> always tell the truth.


Middle America and Southern Democrats are not going to vote for a
black guy.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 05:50 pm
SMS
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

Rocinante wrote:

> Middle America and Southern Democrats are not going to vote for a
> black guy.


They vote for black guys all the time. The Dixiecrats aren't voting for
Obama, but they didn't vote for a white Catholic North easterner either.

It'll all come down to Ohio and Florida again. Obama probably needs one
of them to win, while McCain needs both. However this time there are a
lot more formerly red states as toss-ups than in the past, so it's
conceivable that Obama could win without Ohio and Florida.

As of now, without toss-up states, and Ohio and Florida going to McCain,
Obama is barely ahead at 273-265.

"http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10"

With toss up states it's Obama 228, McCain 174, and 136 toss up.

"http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=5"

Obama should have chosen a Jewish Cuban woman from Florida as his
running mate. Maybe McCain will do just that.

Hopefully people will begin to get mad at what the Republicans are doing
to the U.S..
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 10:12 pm
zonie
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re:

Obama is going to fix that too? We will be lucky to have cars if that
jack-ass gets elected.
Scott

--
Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.honda/
More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html

Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 26 Aug 2008, 11:57 pm
jim beam
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

SMS wrote:
> Runtime Error wrote:
>> Over the last few months, all the gas stations in my area have quit
>> selling pure gas-- just the adulterated stuff. You can't find 100%
>> petrol any more.
>>
>> As the percentage of alcohol in my tank ('07 Accord V6 EX-L sedan)
>> increased, my mileage decreased-- consistently 10%-12% less than it
>> used to be on the same 400 mile round trip I make on the interstate
>> 2-3 times a month. Used to get in the low 30's-- now get in high 20's....
>>
>> Is this the great "fool the public" scam or what-- paying for
>> adulterated fuel that doesn't give you full value??

>
> No one ever tried to market the 10% Ethanol fuel as better than pure
> petrol.


that's not true. when ethanol mix first came out, the oilco propaganda
was all about "higher octane", which is technically true, but highly
misleading since octane != energy content.


> It's only because of the federal tax credit that it's being used
> as an octane enhancer (other than in states where it's being used as an
> alternative to MTBE).


it's not being used for that - it's being used to lower energy content,
and thus decrease mileage, all while being subsidized to do so courtesy
of the tax payer. you can bet your sweet a$$ the oilco's would be up in
arms if ethanol was somehow to their disadvantage.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 27 Aug 2008, 06:18 am
Enrico Fermi
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: "May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"


"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:rN%sk.11051$L_.10117@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Rocinante wrote:
>
>> Middle America and Southern Democrats are not going to vote for a
>> black guy.

>
> They vote for black guys all the time. The Dixiecrats aren't voting for
> Obama, but they didn't vote for a white Catholic North easterner either.
>
> It'll all come down to Ohio and Florida again. Obama probably needs one of
> them to win, while McCain needs both. However this time there are a lot
> more formerly red states as toss-ups than in the past, so it's conceivable
> that Obama could win without Ohio and Florida.
>
> As of now, without toss-up states, and Ohio and Florida going to McCain,
> Obama is barely ahead at 273-265.
>
> "http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10"
>
> With toss up states it's Obama 228, McCain 174, and 136 toss up.
>
> "http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=5"
>
> Obama should have chosen a Jewish Cuban woman from Florida as his running
> mate. Maybe McCain will do just that.
>
> Hopefully people will begin to get mad at what the Republicans are doing
> to the U.S..


I am convinced unhappily that after the last few years of our economy being
looted by both Dems and Reps, bankers, real estate speculators, oil cos, oil
speculators, various mobsters (domestic and international), lunatic
terrorists and the military/industrial complex, that our prospects as free
citizens are not so good right now. We have voted for and elected crooks and
morons since 1968. Ron Paul is my Congressman so I'm hoping we'll be OK for
a time, while the rest of of the USA circles the drain. There is a good
chance that we Texans are just as naive as the rest of the flock. Bless us
all.............


Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"""You will get 10 points"""" 96 Green Honda Civic EX ...RIMs Or Hudcap( Wheel Cover)?? Jason Honda Technical 7 03 Nov 2007 11:36 am
"""You will get 10 points"""" 96 Green Honda Civic EX ...RIMs Or Hudcap( Wheel Cover)?? Jason Honda Technical 1 03 Nov 2007 11:10 am
"""You will get 10 points"""" 96 Green Honda Civic EX ...RIMs Or Hudcap( Wheel Cover)?? Jason Honda Technical 0 03 Nov 2007 11:10 am
">"">>>><meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="0;url=http://www.YapaYHaCK.OrG/Hacked.htm SaNaLKorSaN Acura 0 17 Nov 2006 06:28 am
92' Accord 5spd has "knocking"-"cluncking" sound on drivers sidewhen starting out FWD and BKWD phil Honda 2 1 12 Feb 2005 10:29 am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:21 am.


Attribution:
Honda News | Autoblog
Powered by Yahoo Answers




Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 © 2011, Crawlability, Inc.
HondaCarForum.com is not affiliated with Honda Motor Company in any way. Honda Motor Company does not sponsor, support, or endorse HondaCarForum.com in any way. Copyright/trademark/sales mark infringements are not intended or implied.