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Old 17 Aug 2008, 01:59 am
JP
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Default 86 Accord Failed Emissions High CO

My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission test. Results
shown below. High CO at cruise, but passes on everything else.
I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and on each of these I
have just squeeked by on the CO. I remember years earlier that the CO was
zero at cruise, but now it's more than double the allowable.

HC (PPM) CO (%) CO+CO2 (%) O2 (%)
RPM
2525 Limit: 160 1.20 > 6
N/A N/A
2525 Emissions: 120 2.99 16.39
0.0 N/A
2525 Result: PASS FAIL N/A N/A
N/A

Idle Limit: 220 1.20 > 6
N/A N/A
Idle Emissions: 64 0.00 14.80
0.7 1080
Idle Result: PASS PASS N/A
N/A N/A
Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the $150 for a
waiver?

Thanks,
John



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Old 17 Aug 2008, 08:42 am
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"JP" <xjj_potterx@xhotmailx.com> wrote
> My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission
> test. Results shown below. High CO at cruise, but passes
> on everything else.
> I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and
> on each of these I have just squeeked by on the CO. I
> remember years earlier that the CO was zero at cruise,
> but now it's more than double the allowable.
>
> HC (PPM) CO (%) CO+CO2 (%)
> O2 (%) RPM
> 2525 Limit: 160 1.20 > 6
> N/A N/A
> 2525 Emissions: 120 2.99
> 16.39 0.0 N/A
> 2525 Result: PASS FAIL N/A
> N/A N/A
>
> Idle Limit: 220 1.20
> > 6 N/A N/A

> Idle Emissions: 64 0.00
> 14.80 0.7 1080
> Idle Result: PASS PASS
> N/A N/A N/A
> Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the
> $150 for a waiver?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>



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Old 19 Aug 2008, 02:32 pm
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On Aug 17, 2:59*am, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
> My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission test. *Results
> shown below. *High CO at cruise, but passes on everything else.
> I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and on each of these I
> have just squeeked by on the CO. *I remember years earlier that the CO was
> zero at cruise, *but now it's more than double the allowable.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *HC (PPM) * * CO (%) * * CO+CO2 (%) * * O2 (%)
> RPM
> 2525 Limit: * * * * * *160 * * * * * *1.20 * * * * * * > 6
> N/A * * * * * * N/A
> 2525 Emissions: * * *120 * * * * * * 2.99 * * * * * * 16.39
> 0.0 * * * * * * N/A
> 2525 Result: * * * * PASS * * * * * FAIL * * * * * * N/A * * * * * * * * N/A
> N/A
>
> Idle Limit: * * * * * * * * 220 * * * * * * 1..20 * * * * * * > 6
> N/A * * * * * * N/A
> Idle Emissions: * * * * * *64 * * * * * *0.00 ** * * * * 14.80
> 0.7 * * * * * *1080
> Idle Result: * * * * * * * * PASS * * * * PASS * * * * * * N/A
> N/A * * * * N/A
> Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the $150 for a
> waiver?
>
> Thanks,
> John


mmmm.... a first guess is usually the O2 sensor. which is probably
about the same price to install as the waiver. more arcane things
people suggest include a clogged air filter, but I'd think it would
have to be damn near impenetrable to actually affect your emissions. i
could be wrong.

geez, up here you need to run up like $500 in bills before you get a
waiver; and they won't let you include parts you buy and install
yourself, it has to be work done by a genyoowine mechanic feller who
has to sign an official paper that you gave him all that money to try
and fix your emissions, besides including the itemized bill etc. i
guess they're a little worried that folks might cheat a bit if they
could just submit a bill for parts they bought and said they
installed. i'm shocked they would think that. easiest thing to do is
have the mechanic install a new catalytic converter every two years.
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Old 25 Aug 2008, 08:26 pm
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"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
news:444806a0-ccf3-4d2b-b8f9-78cda195317f@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>On Aug 17, 2:59 am, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
>> My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission test. Results
>> shown below. High CO at cruise, but passes on everything else.
>> I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and on each of
>> these I
> >have just squeeked by on the CO. I remember years earlier that the CO was
> >zero at cruise, but now it's more than double the allowable.
>>
> >HC (PPM) CO (%) CO+CO2 (%) O2 (%)
> >RPM
> >2525 Limit: 160 1.20 > 6
> >N/A N/A
> >2525 Emissions: 120 2.99 16.39
> >0.0 N/A
> >2525 Result: PASS FAIL N/A N/A
> >N/A
>>
>> Idle Limit: 220 1.20 > 6
>> N/A N/A
>> Idle Emissions: 64 0.00 14.80
>> 0.7 1080
>> Idle Result: PASS PASS N/A
>> N/A N/A
>> Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the $150 for a
>> waiver?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John


>mmmm.... a first guess is usually the O2 sensor. which is probably
>about the same price to install as the waiver. more arcane things
>people suggest include a clogged air filter, but I'd think it would
>have to be damn near impenetrable to actually affect your emissions. i
>could be wrong.
>
>geez, up here you need to run up like $500 in bills before you get a
>waiver; and they won't let you include parts you buy and install
>yourself, it has to be work done by a genyoowine mechanic feller who
>has to sign an official paper that you gave him all that money to try
>and fix your emissions, besides including the itemized bill etc. i
>guess they're a little worried that folks might cheat a bit if they
>could just submit a bill for parts they bought and said they
>installed. i'm shocked they would think that. easiest thing to do is
>have the mechanic install a new catalytic converter every two years.


I was unsure about the O2 sensor or catalytic converter, so I figured I'd
try the cheaper
and replaced the O2 sensor for $70. I also replaced the air cleaner, but
the old one looked
fine. Went back through emission test and CO dropped from 2.99% to 0.07%,
HC dropped from
120ppm to 50ppm. I'm good to go for two more years.


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Old 26 Aug 2008, 04:36 pm
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On Aug 16, 11:59*pm, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
> My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission test. *Results
> shown below. *High CO at cruise, but passes on everything else.
> I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and on each of these I
> have just squeeked by on the CO. *I remember years earlier that the CO was
> zero at cruise, *but now it's more than double the allowable.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *HC (PPM) * * CO (%) * * CO+CO2 (%) * * O2 (%)
> RPM
> 2525 Limit: * * * * * *160 * * * * * *1.20 * * * * * * > 6
> N/A * * * * * * N/A
> 2525 Emissions: * * *120 * * * * * * 2.99 * * * * * * 16.39
> 0.0 * * * * * * N/A
> 2525 Result: * * * * PASS * * * * * FAIL * * * * * * N/A * * * * * * * * N/A
> N/A
>
> Idle Limit: * * * * * * * * 220 * * * * * * 1..20 * * * * * * > 6
> N/A * * * * * * N/A
> Idle Emissions: * * * * * *64 * * * * * *0.00 ** * * * * 14.80
> 0.7 * * * * * *1080
> Idle Result: * * * * * * * * PASS * * * * PASS * * * * * * N/A
> N/A * * * * N/A
> Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the $150 for a
> waiver?
>
> Thanks,
> John


Hey John,

I had a similar concern with my 1987 Honda Accord and I
subscribed to ALLDATAdiy.com and it has been very useful. I am handy
and like to do things myself and this subscription gives me diagnosis,
repair, TBSs, recalls and labor times. I hope you find it useful -
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Check it out - I copied the link below for you.

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Old 26 Aug 2008, 09:56 pm
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"Andy" <ADdiy55@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>On Aug 16, 11:59 pm, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
>> My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission test. Results
>> shown below. High CO at cruise, but passes on everything else.
>> I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and on each of
>> these I
>> have just squeeked by on the CO. I remember years earlier that the CO was
>> zero at cruise, but now it's more than double the allowable.
>>
>> HC (PPM) CO (%) CO+CO2 (%) O2 (%)
>> RPM
>> 2525 Limit: 160 1.20 > 6
>> N/A N/A
>> 2525 Emissions: 120 2.99 16.39
>> 0.0 N/A
>> 2525 Result: PASS FAIL N/A N/A
> >N/A
>>
>> Idle Limit: 220 1.20 > 6
>> N/A N/A
> >Idle Emissions: 64 0.00 14.80
> >0.7 1080
> >Idle Result: PASS PASS N/A
> >N/A N/A
> >Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the $150 for a
> >waiver?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John

>
>Hey John,
>
>I had a similar concern with my 1987 Honda Accord and I
>subscribed to ALLDATAdiy.com and it has been very useful. I am handy
>and like to do things myself and this subscription gives me diagnosis,
>repair, TBSs, recalls and labor times. I hope you find it useful -
>it's pretty cheap considering the information comes directly from the
>manufacturer.
>
>Check it out - I copied the link below for you.
>
>http://traffic.alldatadiy.com/cgi-bi...0-o4010-c66365
>
>Andy Deil


Andy,

Thanks for the link. I've looked at the ALLDATA database at our local
library and did see quite a bit of information available. I also have the
honda shop manual for my car, which has pretty detailed information on
testing components.

The problem I had was just with the emission test, the car ran fine. Since
I only had to spend $150 to obtain a waiver, I just wanted to try what was
relatively cheap, might help, and would count toward the waiver.

I replaced the O2 sensor and went back to the emission station and passed
with flying colors. CO dropped from 2.99% to 0.07%.


John


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Old 27 Aug 2008, 06:28 am
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"JP" <xjj_potterx@xhotmailx.com> wrote in
news:PfGdnUXUOvf0XynVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@earthlink.co m:

>
> "Andy" <ADdiy55@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dd95b19d-553e-4dfa-9621-4926d83a2504

@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>>On Aug 16, 11:59 pm, "JP" <xjj_pott...@xhotmailx.com> wrote:
>>> My 1986 Accord (225000 miles) failed the WA state emission test.
>>> Results shown below. High CO at cruise, but passes on everything
>>> else. I checked the last 3 tests (testing is every 2 years) and on
>>> each of these I
>>> have just squeeked by on the CO. I remember years earlier that the
>>> CO was zero at cruise, but now it's more than double the allowable.
>>>
>>> HC (PPM) CO (%) CO+CO2 (%) O2 (%)
>>> RPM
>>> 2525 Limit: 160 1.20 > 6
>>> N/A N/A
>>> 2525 Emissions: 120 2.99 16.39
>>> 0.0 N/A
>>> 2525 Result: PASS FAIL N/A N/A
>> >N/A
>>>
>>> Idle Limit: 220 1.20 > 6
>>> N/A N/A
>> >Idle Emissions: 64 0.00 14.80
>> >0.7 1080
>> >Idle Result: PASS PASS N/A
>> >N/A N/A
>> >Any ideas on what could be amuck, or should I just pay the $150 for
>> >a waiver?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John

>>
>>Hey John,
>>
>>I had a similar concern with my 1987 Honda Accord and I
>>subscribed to ALLDATAdiy.com and it has been very useful. I am handy
>>and like to do things myself and this subscription gives me diagnosis,
>>repair, TBSs, recalls and labor times. I hope you find it useful -
>>it's pretty cheap considering the information comes directly from the
>>manufacturer.
>>
>>Check it out - I copied the link below for you.
>>
>>http://traffic.alldatadiy.com/
>>365
>>
>>Andy Deil

>
> Andy,
>
> Thanks for the link. I've looked at the ALLDATA database at our local
> library and did see quite a bit of information available. I also have
> the honda shop manual for my car, which has pretty detailed
> information on testing components.
>
> The problem I had was just with the emission test, the car ran fine.
> Since I only had to spend $150 to obtain a waiver, I just wanted to
> try what was relatively cheap, might help, and would count toward the
> waiver.
>
> I replaced the O2 sensor and went back to the emission station and
> passed with flying colors. CO dropped from 2.99% to 0.07%.
>
>
> John
>
>
>



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