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Old 14 Aug 2008, 08:24 pm
M.A. Stewart
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Default Re: Surface Cracks in 5-spd Tranny Bell Housing (Aluminum Casting). Serious?

ballstoyourpartner (balls69bc@yahoo.ca) writes:
> On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> =A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
>> maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
>> inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
>> cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
>> on the aluminum casting on the 5-spd tranny bell housing (left side
>> casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
>> something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
>> Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Could it
>> be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
>> =A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated. TIA
>>
>> Balls

>
> Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's seat!




Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
crazing.


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Old 14 Aug 2008, 10:27 pm
jim beam
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Default Re: Surface Cracks in 5-spd Tranny Bell Housing (Aluminum Casting).Serious?

M.A. Stewart wrote:
> ballstoyourpartner (balls69bc@yahoo.ca) writes:
>> On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> =A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
>>> maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
>>> inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
>>> cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
>>> on the aluminum casting on the 5-spd tranny bell housing (left side
>>> casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
>>> something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
>>> Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Could it
>>> be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
>>> =A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated. TIA
>>>
>>> Balls

>> Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's seat!

>
>
>
> Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
> crazing.
>
>


better yet, try to figure out if the car's fallen apart. if not, it's a
pretty safe bet it's normal mold surface transfer. and that the nimrod
at midas needs educating with a very blunt instrument.
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 02:45 pm
ballstoyourpartner
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Default Re: Surface Cracks in 5-spd Tranny Bell Housing (Aluminum Casting).Serious?

On Aug 14, 8:27*pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> M.A. Stewart wrote:
> > ballstoyourpartner (balls6...@yahoo.ca) writes:
> >> On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>> =A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
> >>> maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
> >>> inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
> >>> cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
> >>> on the aluminum casting on the 5-spd tranny bell housing (left side
> >>> casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
> >>> something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
> >>> Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Could it
> >>> be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
> >>> =A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated.TIA

>
> >>> Balls
> >> Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's seat!

>
> > Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
> > crazing.

>
> better yet, try to figure out if the car's fallen apart. *if not, it's a
> pretty safe bet it's normal mold surface transfer. *and that the nimrod
> at midas needs educating with a very blunt instrument.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Thanks for the quick responses. No, the car is not fallling apart
[normally maintained Honda's don't do that until at least 450,000
km. ]. I understand what you are saying with the 'mold surface
transfer' but I would note that the left side casting of the tranny
housing has no such 'surface cracks' on it and, if it were from the
mold, would you not think that the technician would have seen
something like it before?
I was always planning on getting at least a second opinion from a
Honda dealer but, since I have had reason to doubt their
recommendations in the past, I thought I would tap this 'knowledge
base' first. Again, TIA

Balls
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 10:35 pm
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ballstoyourpartner wrote:
> On Aug 14, 8:27 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>>M.A. Stewart wrote:
>>
>>>ballstoyourpartner (balls6...@yahoo.ca) writes:
>>>
>>>>On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>=A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
>>>>>maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
>>>>>inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
>>>>>cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
>>>>>on the aluminum casting on the 5-spd tranny bell housing (left side
>>>>>casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
>>>>>something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
>>>>>Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Could it
>>>>>be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
>>>>>=A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated. TIA

>>
>>>>>Balls
>>>>
>>>>Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's seat!

>>
>>>Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
>>>crazing.

>>
>>better yet, try to figure out if the car's fallen apart. if not, it's a
>>pretty safe bet it's normal mold surface transfer. and that the nimrod
>>at midas needs educating with a very blunt instrument.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -

>
>
> Thanks for the quick responses. No, the car is not fallling apart
> [normally maintained Honda's don't do that until at least 450,000
> km. ]. I understand what you are saying with the 'mold surface
> transfer' but I would note that the left side casting of the tranny
> housing has no such 'surface cracks' on it and, if it were from the
> mold, would you not think that the technician would have seen
> something like it before?
> I was always planning on getting at least a second opinion from a
> Honda dealer but, since I have had reason to doubt their
> recommendations in the past, I thought I would tap this 'knowledge
> base' first. Again, TIA
>
> Balls



The occurrence of cracks from the casting process are not at all
uncommon with aluminum cases etc. I rebuilt several vintage Honda
motorcycles and stress casting cracks were numerous but never had an
effect as to structural integrity.

JT


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Old 16 Aug 2008, 10:59 am
jim beam
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Default Re: Surface Cracks in 5-spd Tranny Bell Housing (Aluminum Casting).Serious?

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> ballstoyourpartner wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 8:27 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> M.A. Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>> ballstoyourpartner (balls6...@yahoo.ca) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>> =A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
>>>>>> maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
>>>>>> inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
>>>>>> cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
>>>>>> on the aluminum casting on the 5-spd tranny bell housing (left side
>>>>>> casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
>>>>>> something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
>>>>>> Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Could it
>>>>>> be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
>>>>>> =A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated. TIA
>>>
>>>>>> Balls
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's
>>>>> seat!
>>>
>>>> Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
>>>> crazing.
>>>
>>> better yet, try to figure out if the car's fallen apart. if not, it's a
>>> pretty safe bet it's normal mold surface transfer. and that the nimrod
>>> at midas needs educating with a very blunt instrument.- Hide quoted
>>> text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -

>>
>>
>> Thanks for the quick responses. No, the car is not fallling apart
>> [normally maintained Honda's don't do that until at least 450,000
>> km. ]. I understand what you are saying with the 'mold surface
>> transfer' but I would note that the left side casting of the tranny
>> housing has no such 'surface cracks' on it and, if it were from the
>> mold, would you not think that the technician would have seen
>> something like it before?
>> I was always planning on getting at least a second opinion from a
>> Honda dealer but, since I have had reason to doubt their
>> recommendations in the past, I thought I would tap this 'knowledge
>> base' first. Again, TIA
>>
>> Balls

>
>
> The occurrence of cracks from the casting process are not at all
> uncommon with aluminum cases etc. I rebuilt several vintage Honda
> motorcycles and stress casting cracks were numerous but never had an
> effect as to structural integrity.
>
> JT
>
>


but they're not cracks, they're simply surface features left over from
the mold. they mean absolutely nothing but from a manufacturing
perspective, cost significant money to remove. so they don't.

/real/ casting stress cracks otoh are a serious matter and result in
almost immediate failure. i do not believe there is any way q.c. would
miss the real deal. and even if they had, the resulting failure would
be most apparent.

as for the op paying attention to anything some retard at midas says -
it just makes my brain hurt.
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 07:22 pm
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Default Re: Surface Cracks in 5-spd Tranny Bell Housing (Aluminum Casting).Serious?

On Aug 16, 8:59*am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
> > ballstoyourpartner wrote:
> >> On Aug 14, 8:27 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:

>
> >>> M.A. Stewart wrote:

>
> >>>> ballstoyourpartner (balls6...@yahoo.ca) writes:

>
> >>>>> On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>
> >>>>>> Hi there,
> >>>>>> =A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
> >>>>>> maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
> >>>>>> inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
> >>>>>> cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
> >>>>>> on the aluminum casting on the 5-spdtrannybell housing (left side
> >>>>>> casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
> >>>>>> something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
> >>>>>> Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Couldit
> >>>>>> be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated. TIA

>
> >>>>>> Balls

>
> >>>>> Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's
> >>>>> seat!

>
> >>>> Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
> >>>> crazing.

>
> >>> better yet, try to figure out if the car's fallen apart. *if not, it's a
> >>> pretty safe bet it's normal mold surface transfer. *and that the nimrod
> >>> at midas needs educating with a very blunt instrument.- Hide quoted
> >>> text -

>
> >>> - Show quoted text -

>
> >> Thanks for the quick responses. No, the car is not fallling apart
> >> [normally maintained Honda's don't do that until at least 450,000
> >> km. ]. I understand what you are saying with the 'mold surface
> >> transfer' but I would note that the left side casting of thetranny
> >> housing has no such 'surface cracks' on it and, if it were from the
> >> mold, would you not think that the technician would have seen
> >> something like it before?
> >> I was always planning on getting at least a second opinion from a
> >> Honda dealer but, since I have had reason to doubt their
> >> recommendations in the past, I thought I would tap this 'knowledge
> >> base' first. Again, TIA

>
> >> Balls

>
> > The occurrence of cracks from the casting process are not at all
> > uncommon with aluminum cases etc. *I rebuilt several vintage Honda
> > motorcycles and stress casting cracks were numerous but never had an
> > effect as to structural integrity.

>
> > JT

>
> but they're not cracks, they're simply surface features left over from
> the mold. *they mean absolutely nothing but from a manufacturing
> perspective, cost significant money to remove. *so they don't.
>
> /real/ casting stress cracks otoh are a serious matter and result in
> almost immediate failure. *i do not believe there is any way q.c. would
> miss the real deal. *and even if they had, the resulting failure would
> be most apparent.
>
> as for the op paying attention to anything some retard at midas says -
> it just makes my brain hurt.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Not sure what your specific history with Midas might be but I have
been using them for routine maintenance for several years now and have
never had a problem with them. While, like many other "car shops",
they may try to sell services that are not needed based on their
having your car up on the hoist, they have never tried this with me!
The technician took the time to point something out to me that he had
never seen before and that he thought I should know about. For that, I
am grateful to him (and I didn't notice any signs of him being
'retarded', which is actually a very unkind thing for you to say about
someone based solely on their place of employment). I will ask the
Honda dealer about the 'cracks' next time I have the car in with them
[timing belt replacement is coming up] but I will be continuing to use
Midas for the servicing of my car.

Balls
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Old 22 Aug 2008, 09:30 pm
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ballstoyourpartner wrote:
> On Aug 16, 8:59�am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>> ballstoyourpartner wrote:
>>>> On Aug 14, 8:27 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>> M.A. Stewart wrote:
>>>>>> ballstoyourpartner (balls6...@yahoo.ca) writes:
>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 4:07=A0pm, ballstoyourpartner <balls6...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>> =A0 =A0I just had my 2001 Honda Accord (166,500 km) in for a fall
>>>>>>>> maintenance service (oil & filter change, tire rotationand basic
>>>>>>>> inspection) at Midas and the technician showed me a series of surface
>>>>>>>> cracks (maybe 30 of them in polygon shapes about 2.5 cm in dimension)
>>>>>>>> on the aluminum casting on the 5-spdtrannybell housing (left side
>>>>>>>> casting when looking from the driver's seat). He said that it was not
>>>>>>>> something he had seen before. I don't know quite what to make of it.
>>>>>>>> Is this serious? If it is, how should I approach the repair? Could it
>>>>>>>> be a manufacturing defect that Honda should look after?
>>>>>>>> =A0 =A0Your helpful and insightful comments would be appreciated. TIA
>>>>>>>> Balls
>>>>>>> Oops, that would be the RIGHT side when looking from the driver's
>>>>>>> seat!
>>>>>> Get a second and third opinion. It maybe just normal casting spall or
>>>>>> crazing.
>>>>> better yet, try to figure out if the car's fallen apart. �if not, it's a
>>>>> pretty safe bet it's normal mold surface transfer. �and that the nimrod
>>>>> at midas needs educating with a very blunt instrument.- Hide quoted
>>>>> text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> Thanks for the quick responses. No, the car is not fallling apart
>>>> [normally maintained Honda's don't do that until at least 450,000
>>>> km. ]. I understand what you are saying with the 'mold surface
>>>> transfer' but I would note that the left side casting of thetranny
>>>> housing has no such 'surface cracks' on it and, if it were from the
>>>> mold, would you not think that the technician would have seen
>>>> something like it before?
>>>> I was always planning on getting at least a second opinion from a
>>>> Honda dealer but, since I have had reason to doubt their
>>>> recommendations in the past, I thought I would tap this 'knowledge
>>>> base' first. Again, TIA
>>>> Balls
>>> The occurrence of cracks from the casting process are not at all
>>> uncommon with aluminum cases etc. �I rebuilt several vintage Honda
>>> motorcycles and stress casting cracks were numerous but never had an
>>> effect as to structural integrity.
>>> JT

>> but they're not cracks, they're simply surface features left over from
>> the mold. �they mean absolutely nothing but from a manufacturing
>> perspective, cost significant money to remove. �so they don't.
>>
>> /real/ casting stress cracks otoh are a serious matter and result in
>> almost immediate failure. �i do not believe there is any way q.c. would
>> miss the real deal. �and even if they had, the resulting failure would
>> be most apparent.
>>
>> as for the op paying attention to anything some retard at midas says -
>> it just makes my brain hurt.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Not sure what your specific history with Midas might be but I have
> been using them for routine maintenance for several years now and have
> never had a problem with them. While, like many other "car shops",
> they may try to sell services that are not needed based on their
> having your car up on the hoist, they have never tried this with me!


so why were they flagging this as a repair issue then???



> The technician took the time to point something out to me that he had
> never seen before and that he thought I should know about. For that, I
> am grateful to him (and I didn't notice any signs of him being
> 'retarded', which is actually a very unkind thing for you to say about
> someone based solely on their place of employment). I will ask the
> Honda dealer about the 'cracks' next time I have the car in with them
> [timing belt replacement is coming up] but I will be continuing to use
> Midas for the servicing of my car.


so the dealer gets to rip you off instead!
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