Honda Car Forum

In article <pan.2008.07.17.17.46.25.114350@moria2.lan>,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
>
> > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded
> > gasoline.
>
> Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much
> mileage you get.

I get slightly poorer mileage with ethanol based fuel.
--

If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover
they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 it
is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive 55
MPH.

"Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote:
> > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG.
>
> This is hard for me to believe.

It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving...

From Consumer guide Automotive

Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles
last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on
vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain,
and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel
we used along the way.

The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are
real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four
editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are
the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in
our care.

Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG

Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm

Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG.

As one poster noted about the Odyssey

"my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the
highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol
fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with
just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my
gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg."

Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG"
which I will dismiss as total BS.

In article <YoGdnWHyQ7_JVeLVnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
"Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote:

> If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover
> they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 it
> is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive 55
> MPH.
>
> "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote:
> > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG.
> >
> > This is hard for me to believe.
>
> It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving...
>
> From Consumer guide Automotive
>
> Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles
> last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on
> vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain,
> and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel
> we used along the way.
>
> The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are
> real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four
> editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are
> the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in
> our care.
>
> Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG
>
> Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG

That's not what I'm getting. I own and drive a Sienna and I calculate
over a number of trips my gas mileage. If anyone chooses to not believe
me, fine, I don't care. I know what I get in gas mileage and that is
all that matters to me. My friend who has a 08 Ody gets even better gas
mileage and he is conservative and flat honest, if he didn't get what he
gets he would say so.


>
> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm
>
> Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG.
>
> As one poster noted about the Odyssey
>
> "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the
> highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol
> fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with
> just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my
> gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg."
>
> Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG"
> which I will dismiss as total BS.
--

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:41:56 -0500, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc>
wrote:

>In article <YoGdnWHyQ7_JVeLVnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
> "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover
>> they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75 it
>> is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive 55
>> MPH.
>>
>> "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote:
>> > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG.
>> >
>> > This is hard for me to believe.
>>
>> It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving...
>>
>> From Consumer guide Automotive
>>
>> Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles
>> last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on
>> vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain,
>> and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel
>> we used along the way.
>>
>> The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are
>> real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four
>> editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are
>> the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in
>> our care.
>>
>> Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG
>>
>> Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG
>
>That's not what I'm getting. I own and drive a Sienna and I calculate
>over a number of trips my gas mileage. If anyone chooses to not believe
>me, fine, I don't care. I know what I get in gas mileage and that is
>all that matters to me. My friend who has a 08 Ody gets even better gas
>mileage and he is conservative and flat honest, if he didn't get what he
>gets he would say so.
>
>
>>
>> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm
>>
>> Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG.
>>
>> As one poster noted about the Odyssey
>>
>> "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the
>> highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol
>> fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with
>> just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my
>> gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg."
>>
>> Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG"
>> which I will dismiss as total BS.

Howdy,

Let me add something to the mix...

I have an '04 Sienna AWD. I live in rural New Hampshire and
so do very little stop-and-go driving.

In the four years I have had the van, I have never gotten
better than 18 mpg, and I have a light foot.

The simple reality is that as is true for any manufactured
product there are variations part to part, and they may have
a cumulative effect.

I don't doubt for a moment that there are folks who get far
better mileage in what is ostensibly the identical car.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

In article <57kv74trnefrndr99f4tamag8n9f2d6p9i@4ax.com>,
Kenneth <usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:41:56 -0500, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <YoGdnWHyQ7_JVeLVnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ptd.net>,
> > "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If one owns a vehicle that has an onboard fuel computer you will discover
> >> they most efficient speed to drive is around 70 MPH, not 60 MPH. At 75
> >> it
> >> is only a mile or two less but still two or three more than when I drive
> >> 55
> >> MPH.
> >>
> >> "Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:b1c62226-9512-4c81-8bb9-b9bad8d66fc3@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jul 17, 6:27 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > dbu, 7/17/2008,5:54:16 AM, wrote:
> >> > > The Sienna gets 25-28 MPG.
> >> >
> >> > This is hard for me to believe.
> >>
> >> It may get that on a long trip, but for day-to-day driving...
> >>
> >> From Consumer guide Automotive
> >>
> >> Forget the EPA. Consumer Guide's auto editors drove 150,000 miles
> >> last year. We drove to work, to day care, to the grocery store, and on
> >> vacation. We drove through record heat, blinding snow, driving rain,
> >> and confounding road construction, keeping track of every drop of fuel
> >> we used along the way.
> >>
> >> The EPA admits its fuel economy numbers are estimates. Our numbers are
> >> real. A typical Consumer Guide test car is evaluated by at least four
> >> editors, all of whom account for their individual fuel usage. Here are
> >> the vehicles in each class that used the least amount of fuel while in
> >> our care.
> >>
> >> Honda Odyssey-16.4 MPG
> >>
> >> Toyota Sienna-16.4 MPG
> >
> >That's not what I'm getting. I own and drive a Sienna and I calculate
> >over a number of trips my gas mileage. If anyone chooses to not believe
> >me, fine, I don't care. I know what I get in gas mileage and that is
> >all that matters to me. My friend who has a 08 Ody gets even better gas
> >mileage and he is conservative and flat honest, if he didn't get what he
> >gets he would say so.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-champions.htm
> >>
> >> Consumer Reports faired a little better with 19 MPG.
> >>
> >> As one poster noted about the Odyssey
> >>
> >> "my normal gas mileage is 17 mpg in the city and 24.5-25 mpg on the
> >> highway. I've gotten as low as 15 mpg in the winter here (10% ethanol
> >> fuel) and as high as 27.1 mpg on the highway (traveling by myself with
> >> just two suitcases). I keep my tires at 37 psi, which is what made my
> >> gas mileage increase by 1-2 mpg."
> >>
> >> Another noted about his Sienna " I drive 80MPH and still get 24 MPG"
> >> which I will dismiss as total BS.
>
> Howdy,
>
> Let me add something to the mix...
>
> I have an '04 Sienna AWD. I live in rural New Hampshire and
> so do very little stop-and-go driving.
>
> In the four years I have had the van, I have never gotten
> better than 18 mpg, and I have a light foot.
>
> The simple reality is that as is true for any manufactured
> product there are variations part to part, and they may have
> a cumulative effect.
>
> I don't doubt for a moment that there are folks who get far
> better mileage in what is ostensibly the identical car.
>
> All the best,

18 Is damn good for AWD.
--

On 2008-07-17, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote:
> In article <pan.2008.07.17.17.46.25.114350@moria2.lan>,
> Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
>>
>> > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded
>> > gasoline.
>>
>> Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much
>> mileage you get.
>
> I get slightly poorer mileage with ethanol based fuel.

That will always be true, as Ethanol doesn't have as much energy as
Petrol, but there will be no difference between Super and Regular
unleaded. Use what the car needs. My Civic Si requires Premium. If
your car doesn't, don't bother using it. It does nothing for you.

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

In article <slrng7vlck.85v.joe@barada.griffincs.local>,
Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com> wrote:

> On 2008-07-17, dbu <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote:
> > In article <pan.2008.07.17.17.46.25.114350@moria2.lan>,
> > Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:06:27 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can see it doing that well on a trip if you're using super unleaded
> >> > gasoline.
> >>
> >> Horsefeathers. The grade of gasoline has NOTHING to do with how much
> >> mileage you get.
> >
> > I get slightly poorer mileage with ethanol based fuel.
>
> That will always be true, as Ethanol doesn't have as much energy as
> Petrol, but there will be no difference between Super and Regular
> unleaded. Use what the car needs. My Civic Si requires Premium. If
> your car doesn't, don't bother using it. It does nothing for you.

Where I gas up at there is a penny difference between their reg. and
their premium. I always gas up my Sienna with the premium. I can tell
the difference in performance as I've tried both. Not a blow you away
difference, but a difference. I expect gas mileage is somewhat better
with premium also, but I've never tested it. When I gas up in the next
state over that does not have state mandated ethanol based fuel I see
even better performance. I'm still trying to understand where we as
drivers of gas vehicles have any advantage using ethanol fuel.
--

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:05:08 -0500, dbu wrote:

> Where I gas up at there is a penny difference between their reg. and
> their premium.

I don't believe that. Not at a normal gas station, anyway.

> I always gas up my Sienna with the premium. I can tell the difference
> in performance as I've tried both.

I don't believe that, either. You are under the illusion that many people
are, that premium is more "powerful". It isn't.

> Not a blow you away difference, but a difference. I expect gas mileage
> is somewhat better with premium also, but I've never tested it.

There is no difference.


> When I gas up in the next state over that does not have state mandated
> ethanol based fuel I see even better performance.

As has been previously stated, that is because ethanol does not have the
same energy (BTU) per gallon that gasoline does. It has less.

> I'm still trying to understand where we as drivers of gas vehicles have
> any advantage using ethanol fuel.

We don't. It's a purely political sham, and is not a good thing at all.
What it's basically doing is driving up the prices of food that uses corn,
which is a lot more foods than most people realize.


--
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"Kenneth" ...
> Let me add something to the mix...
>
> I have an '04 Sienna AWD. I live in rural New Hampshire and
> so do very little stop-and-go driving.
>
> In the four years I have had the van, I have never gotten
> better than 18 mpg, and I have a light foot.
>
AWD in itself saps MPG. That invalidates a comparison to non-AWD Siennas.

BTW, I get about 22 in my 98 Sienna in semi rural west central NJ driving.
Tomes

"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 10:04 pm, "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLE...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Buying either is a mistake considering current gas prices. I would hold on
> to what you have until an equivalent hybrid is available at a reasonable
> price.

A local Toyota dealer has said that he expects a hybrid minivan from
Toyota in the 2010 model year. If it will have the Highlander drive
train, it should be excellent choice.

Mazda makes a small minivan that gets good gas milage.

--
Ron
***********
Toyota already sells a hybrid minivan in Japan. Toyota has announced that
they plan to eventually offer a hybrid drivetrain in every vehicle series.
When a particular series will be offered with a hybrid drivetrain probably
has more to do with hybrid component production capacity than the need to
develop a drivetrain.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)