Honda Car Forum

Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:ucSdnRWhqPCtYNjVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of money....
>>>
>>> The best quote:
>>> "We either need to change this company or have the Japanese come in and
>>> run the whole place," John Lauve
>>>
>>>
>>> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080603/gm_sh...ders.html?.v=5
>>>
>> troll
>
> Okay, you go to plonky town.. Buh Bye! PLONK
>
>

let's see how this works:

1. you repeatedly troll.

2. i call you on it.

3. you stick your head in the sand.

doesn't seem very smart. or social. but i guess problems with social
interaction are why you're trolling in the first place.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:07:39 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:48:17 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>
>>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of money....
>
>>> Ahhh. You're a socialist/Lib/Dimocrat, eh?
>
>> Umm, for thinking the shareholders should not suffer losing money while the
>> GM Chief is paid an insane amount of money?
>
>It's a fact of life, Junior. Sometimes shareholders lose money. That's
>the way the stock market and the free enterprise system works. As for the
>CEO making an "insane" amount of money... well, it's certainly more than
>other GM employees make, but that's (also) how things work. Those in
>charge get paid more. Simple fact of life. Perhaps if you had more
>education, you could make some money, yourself!

Here is a fact for you. Rick Wagoner, CEO of GM got total
compensation last year of over $14 million. That is more than the
compensation of the CEO and the 36 board members of Honda Motor
Company combined. Honda had record sales last month. How is GM
doing? Oh, that's right, the death spiral thing - never mind.

Anyway, US executives are paid obscene amounts of money not just in
comparison to "other employees," but compared to their foreign
counterparts. Hard to see the value here. The truth is that American
companies are - more and more - being run for the benefit of the
executives rather than the stockholders or, god forbid, the mainstream
workers.

On 4 Jun 2008 02:18:01 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:


>
>it's socialist/communist to think that involving Government in regulating
>such affairs is the solution. Or any sort of "excess profit" taxation.

Not much risk of that with GM involved.

Jim Yanik wrote:
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <One187@NoWhere.Com> wrote in
> news:Bvm1k.9117$jX.8234@trnddc04:
>
>> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>> newsan.2008.06.04.01.11.59.798335@moria.lan...
>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:00:28 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>>
>>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of
>>>> money....
>>> Ahhh. You're a socialist/Lib/Dimocrat, eh?
>> Umm, for thinking the shareholders should not suffer losing money
>> while the GM Chief is paid an insane amount of money?
>>
>> How did you get "socialist democrat" from thinking the shareholders
>> should be treated right?
>
> why haven't the SHAREHOLDERS corrrected this?
>> Folks, above, I would like you observe what it is like to be
>> brainwashed by one of the various political sides. Anytime a company
>> gets questioned about ethics, there is always an extreme conservative
>> who thinks it is socialist to suggest a company have such.
>>
>>
>
> it's socialist/communist to think that involving Government in regulating
> such affairs is the solution. Or any sort of "excess profit" taxation.
>

Who mentioned the government?

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2008.06.04.01.11.59.798335@moria.lan...
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:00:28 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>
>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of money....
>
> Ahhh. You're a socialist/Lib/Dimocrat, eh?
>
> <snip>


I'm sure Republican shareholders are just as pissed off as anyone else.

You know that. But you needed to say something. Anything. Even if it made no
sense.

Gib Bogle <bogle@ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz> wrote in
news:g25gh5$btq$2@lust.ihug.co.nz:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <One187@NoWhere.Com> wrote in
>> news:Bvm1k.9117$jX.8234@trnddc04:
>>
>>> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>>> newsan.2008.06.04.01.11.59.798335@moria.lan...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:00:28 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of
>>>>> money....
>>>> Ahhh. You're a socialist/Lib/Dimocrat, eh?
>>> Umm, for thinking the shareholders should not suffer losing money
>>> while the GM Chief is paid an insane amount of money?
>>>
>>> How did you get "socialist democrat" from thinking the shareholders
>>> should be treated right?
>>

As I said....
>> why haven't the SHAREHOLDERS corrrected this?


>>> Folks, above, I would like you observe what it is like to be
>>> brainwashed by one of the various political sides. Anytime a company
>>> gets questioned about ethics, there is always an extreme
>>> conservative who thinks it is socialist to suggest a company have
>>> such.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> it's socialist/communist to think that involving Government in
>> regulating such affairs is the solution. Or any sort of "excess
>> profit" taxation.
>>
>
> Who mentioned the government?
>

that is the usual demand;for Gov't to regulate something,when other means
of control are not achievable.

Since shareholders are not forcing "appropriate" CEO salaries or denying
unearned bonuses,what other way is there?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Larry in AZ <usenet2@DELETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in
news:Xns9AB2D1B6558B7thefrogprince@69.28.173.184:

> Waiving the right to remain silent, Dan C
> <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> said:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:48:17 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>
>>>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of
>>>>> money....
>>
>>>> Ahhh. You're a socialist/Lib/Dimocrat, eh?
>>
>>> Umm, for thinking the shareholders should not suffer losing money
>>> while the GM Chief is paid an insane amount of money?
>>
>> It's a fact of life, Junior. Sometimes shareholders lose money.
>> That's the way the stock market and the free enterprise system works.
>> As for the CEO making an "insane" amount of money... well, it's
>> certainly more than other GM employees make, but that's (also) how
>> things work. Those in charge get paid more. Simple fact of life.
>> Perhaps if you had more education, you could make some money,
>> yourself!
>
> Hey shit-for-brains... For presiding over a $39 Billion loss, he got
> a 64 percent raise.
>

and shareholders (and the BOD) allowed it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:5a5c44pdhbcgjtgkbqta93eqbm08pdh33p@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:07:39 -0500, Dan C
><youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:48:17 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>
>>>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of
>>>>> money....
>>
>>>> Ahhh. You're a socialist/Lib/Dimocrat, eh?
>>
>>> Umm, for thinking the shareholders should not suffer losing money
>>> while the GM Chief is paid an insane amount of money?
>>
>>It's a fact of life, Junior. Sometimes shareholders lose money.
>>That's the way the stock market and the free enterprise system works.
>>As for the CEO making an "insane" amount of money... well, it's
>>certainly more than other GM employees make, but that's (also) how
>>things work. Those in charge get paid more. Simple fact of life.
>>Perhaps if you had more education, you could make some money,
>>yourself!
>
> Here is a fact for you. Rick Wagoner, CEO of GM got total
> compensation last year of over $14 million. That is more than the
> compensation of the CEO and the 36 board members of Honda Motor
> Company combined. Honda had record sales last month. How is GM
> doing? Oh, that's right, the death spiral thing - never mind.
>
> Anyway, US executives are paid obscene amounts of money not just in
> comparison to "other employees," but compared to their foreign
> counterparts. Hard to see the value here. The truth is that American
> companies are - more and more - being run for the benefit of the
> executives rather than the stockholders or, god forbid, the mainstream
> workers.
>
>

and whose fault is that?
Do you suggest "there oughta be a law against it"?

BTW,companies are not run for the benefit of workers.
They are run for making a profit for their owners.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:25:52 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of money....
>>
>> The best quote:
>> "We either need to change this company or have the Japanese come in and run
>> the whole place," John Lauve
>>
>>
>> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080603/gm_sh...ders.html?.v=5
>>
>
> troll

PKB...

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:59:02 +0000, Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:

>
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:ucSdnRWhqPCtYNjVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>>> and shareholders suffer while GM pays GM Chief a crap load of money....
>>>
>>> The best quote:
>>> "We either need to change this company or have the Japanese come in and
>>> run the whole place," John Lauve
>>>
>>>
>>> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080603/gm_sh...ders.html?.v=5
>>>
>>
>> troll
>
> Okay, you go to plonky town.. Buh Bye! PLONK

But I like reading drivel from morons!