Honda Car Forum

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:11:21 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:24:53 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Actually, the 82HP 1.5 liter in 1994 was carbureted. The 1995 93HP 1.5
>>>>> liter engine was injected.
>>>> wow, that's got to be one of the last carburetted cars on the road! for
>>>> north america at any rate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yup. It was an electronic feedback constant vacuum carb.
>>
>> Nice to see someone who knows what he's talking about.
>> IIRC, my '83 had a similar system.
>
>
>"he"?
Yup. He. Last time I checked anyway.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:16:38 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:57:47 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>> We used to routinely decarbonise tercels we knew were not driven hard
>>>> at each major service (spray combustion chamber cleaner in the intake)
>>>> and we used BG Supercharge in the gas on every major service as well.
>>>> BG44K was reserved for the real bad ones. Some came in pinging on
>>>> hightest, and left running fine on regular.
>>> which reinforces the point i made but which our friend snipped - the
>>> engine computer doesn't have a knock sensor to look at, so it can't take
>>> proper advantage of high octane by adjusting its ignition timing strategy.
>>
>>
>> Right. First part I replaced on the car. Back side of the block under the
>> intake runners:
>>
>> http://www2.partstrain.com/store/ima...1604175OES.JPG
>>
>> TWO-DIGIT CODE 52 KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL--OPEN OR SHORT IN KNOCK SENSOR
>> SIGNAL
>>
>> --KNOCK SENSOR/CIRCUIT
>>
>>
>> Keep showing how dumb you are. That's OK.
>>
>>
>
>so explain how a car with a knock sensor can still exhibit detonation...

Well, typically (particularly pre-OBD2) there is a LIMITED amount of
spark retard available.

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:16:38 -0700, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:57:47 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>> We used to routinely decarbonise tercels we knew were not driven hard
>>>> at each major service (spray combustion chamber cleaner in the intake)
>>>> and we used BG Supercharge in the gas on every major service as well.
>>>> BG44K was reserved for the real bad ones. Some came in pinging on
>>>> hightest, and left running fine on regular.
>>> which reinforces the point i made but which our friend snipped - the
>>> engine computer doesn't have a knock sensor to look at, so it can't take
>>> proper advantage of high octane by adjusting its ignition timing strategy.
>>
>>
>> Right. First part I replaced on the car. Back side of the block under the
>> intake runners:
>>
>> http://www2.partstrain.com/store/ima...1604175OES.JPG
>>
>> TWO-DIGIT CODE 52 KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL--OPEN OR SHORT IN KNOCK SENSOR
>> SIGNAL
>>
>> --KNOCK SENSOR/CIRCUIT
>>
>>
>> Keep showing how dumb you are. That's OK.
>>
>>
>
>so explain how a car with a knock sensor can still exhibit detonation...
Also, PRE-IGNITION due to hot carbon is NOT addressed by engine
computere.(but is also not very effectively handled by higher octane).

My THEORY is that the octane requirements go up, and EVENTUALLY the
carbon situation gets bad enough to cause pre-ignition.(high-test or
not) Generally the shop sees the car shortly thereafter --------.
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:47:50 -0400, wrote:

>>>
>>so explain how a car with a knock sensor can still exhibit detonation...
> Also, PRE-IGNITION due to hot carbon is NOT addressed by engine
> computere.(but is also not very effectively handled by higher octane).
>
> My THEORY is that the octane requirements go up, and EVENTUALLY the carbon
> situation gets bad enough to cause pre-ignition.(high-test or not)
> Generally the shop sees the car shortly thereafter


I had a BAD knocking problem in my Corolla GTS ~120,000 miles, and I had
always run what I thought was decent grades of Premium fuel. I would run a
bottle of Techron, and then two tanks, and then another bottle of Techron,
and it would go away for a year or two.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:30:07 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:34:28 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>> No, I actually had the data to prove it. See, that's the difference
>>>> between actually doing something and sitting behind a keyboard
>>>> guessing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> NO YOU DI'IN'T!!!
>>
>> Yes, I did.
>>
>>> NO YOU DI'IN'T!!!
>>
>> Yes, I did.
>>
>>> NO YOU DI'IN'T!!!
>>
>> whatever...
>>
>>
>>
> don't misquote, and don't snip without notation. basic usenet etiquette.


Well, that's basically what it boils down to, doesn't it? I post something
I did and the results, and you say it's impossible. I had the data to back
it up, and you're talking out your ass.

Smarten up and maybe I'll behave.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:40:34 -0400, wrote:

> I'm in Waterloo Ontario.
> Not on the Camry group.
> As far as the "double dipping" it goes on all the time - at Ford
> dealerships, Chrysler dealerships, VW dealerships, Mazda dealerships,
> Mercedes dealerships, and even, sadly, at some Toyota dealerships.
>
> Never happened at mine when I was in charge. (My shop was not flat rate
> 'till after I left)
>
> The time for the belt should be about 3 hours. The time for the pump
> should be about 4 hours. The time for both should be the time for the pump
> - or the time for the belt plus 1 hour.
>
> If you catch your dealer pulling a fast one, call him on it. If he doesn't
> make it right REAL QUICK call your local media and prepare to meet him in
> small claims court.
> Approach the situation calmly and with your facts well prepared - in other
> words - professionally.


LOL! I'm generally a 'professional' unless someone tells me something I
did couldn't be done!

Ah, Right outside Kitchener. I went to Kitchener once, but I spent a good
deal of time in Oshawa (like, IMMEDIATELY behind the GM plant) and Toronto
back through the 80's and the early '90's.

My Supra came from a Toyota dealer on Queen St...?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:42:52 -0400, wrote:

>>> Nice to see someone who knows what he's talking about. IIRC, my '83 had
>>> a similar system.
>>
>>
>>"he"?
> Yup. He. Last time I checked anyway.


LOL! I thought without the 'i' you might not be a woman...

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:47:19 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS>
wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:42:52 -0400, wrote:
>
>>>> Nice to see someone who knows what he's talking about. IIRC, my '83 had
>>>> a similar system.
>>>
>>>
>>>"he"?
>> Yup. He. Last time I checked anyway.
>
>
>LOL! I thought without the 'i' you might not be a woman...
>
Short for Clarence.
A not uncommon spelling in these parts.
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If a repair is completed under warranty, the manufacture determines what
reimbursement rate paid, not the dealer.

If you are going to have the work done at a Toyota dealership, find one that
is dueled with a domestic brand and have the work done in the domestic
brands shop. They can still get you Toyota parts but the domestic brands
shop rate will be a lot lower. At least 20% lower in my experience when I
was buying Lexus LSs

<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message
news:lnr054lgq7mhhl5oo7v6kf9ec2k3jev8u7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:06:37 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:10:32 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm...you work for a Toyota dealer? We were using BG to clean the
>>>>> sludged Camry/Sienna engines, but the BG44K I hadn't heard of until it
>>>>> was advertised on XM radio recently. Is it any good?
>>>
>>> Used to be Toyota service manager - for 10 years of my 25 years as an
>>> auto
>>> mechanic.
>>
>>
>>Whereabouts? I'm on the East Coast.
>>
>>I thought there might have been some professionalism there.
>>
>>I take it you're in the Camry group. We're having a discussion in Toyota
>>about dealerships 'double dipping' using AllData when it comes to
>>replacing timing belts and water pumps. I've seen Toyota dealers quote ~3
>>hours to replace the belt, and then again to replace the water pump, even
>>though they're doing both operations at the same time!
>>
>>Any insight?
>>
> I'm in Waterloo Ontario.
> Not on the Camry group.
> As far as the "double dipping" it goes on all the time - at Ford
> dealerships, Chrysler dealerships, VW dealerships, Mazda dealerships,
> Mercedes dealerships, and even, sadly, at some Toyota dealerships.
>
> Never happened at mine when I was in charge. (My shop was not flat
> rate 'till after I left)
>
> The time for the belt should be about 3 hours. The time for the pump
> should be about 4 hours. The time for both should be the time for the
> pump - or the time for the belt plus 1 hour.
>
> If you catch your dealer pulling a fast one, call him on it. If he
> doesn't make it right REAL QUICK call your local media and prepare to
> meet him in small claims court.
> Approach the situation calmly and with your facts well prepared - in
> other words - professionally. Helps if you can have either the
> Alldata, Toyota, or other flat rate operation codes and numbers to
> present.
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:26:15 -0400, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com>
wrote:

>If a repair is completed under warranty, the manufacture determines what
>reimbursement rate paid, not the dealer.
>
>If you are going to have the work done at a Toyota dealership, find one that
>is dueled with a domestic brand and have the work done in the domestic
>brands shop. They can still get you Toyota parts but the domestic brands
>shop rate will be a lot lower. At least 20% lower in my experience when I
>was buying Lexus LSs
>

In most twinned dealerships here the labour rate depends on the car,
not the bay it is worked on.
><clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message
>news:lnr054lgq7mhhl5oo7v6kf9ec2k3jev8u7@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:06:37 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:10:32 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm...you work for a Toyota dealer? We were using BG to clean the
>>>>>> sludged Camry/Sienna engines, but the BG44K I hadn't heard of until it
>>>>>> was advertised on XM radio recently. Is it any good?
>>>>
>>>> Used to be Toyota service manager - for 10 years of my 25 years as an
>>>> auto
>>>> mechanic.
>>>
>>>
>>>Whereabouts? I'm on the East Coast.
>>>
>>>I thought there might have been some professionalism there.
>>>
>>>I take it you're in the Camry group. We're having a discussion in Toyota
>>>about dealerships 'double dipping' using AllData when it comes to
>>>replacing timing belts and water pumps. I've seen Toyota dealers quote ~3
>>>hours to replace the belt, and then again to replace the water pump, even
>>>though they're doing both operations at the same time!
>>>
>>>Any insight?
>>>
>> I'm in Waterloo Ontario.
>> Not on the Camry group.
>> As far as the "double dipping" it goes on all the time - at Ford
>> dealerships, Chrysler dealerships, VW dealerships, Mazda dealerships,
>> Mercedes dealerships, and even, sadly, at some Toyota dealerships.
>>
>> Never happened at mine when I was in charge. (My shop was not flat
>> rate 'till after I left)
>>
>> The time for the belt should be about 3 hours. The time for the pump
>> should be about 4 hours. The time for both should be the time for the
>> pump - or the time for the belt plus 1 hour.
>>
>> If you catch your dealer pulling a fast one, call him on it. If he
>> doesn't make it right REAL QUICK call your local media and prepare to
>> meet him in small claims court.
>> Approach the situation calmly and with your facts well prepared - in
>> other words - professionally. Helps if you can have either the
>> Alldata, Toyota, or other flat rate operation codes and numbers to
>> present.
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>

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