Honda Car Forum

"Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote

> I also try to run my cars as fast as
> possible (observing local laws, of course) generally 40-50 MPH wherever I
> go. I live in a rural area so it's easy to do. All this helps the oil
> better than a number of 2-3 mile trips with long stops in between, or stop
> and start driving.

Dude..slow the hell down...seriously...do yourself a favor and do it now.

Drive the speed limit, please.

All it takes is one accident or someone coming into the road and your life
will forever be changed.

Seriously...as a man, the coolest thing I can do as a driver is obey the
speed limits, and I invite you to join me.

Its hard as hell to do, no doubt, especially with a goddamn Supra.

But seriously...listen to what I am saying and do everyone a favor.

This might also explain partly why you were in an accident....

I drive like I expect *EVERYONE* to **** up, and to do so right in front of
me.

***THAT*** is how you are supposed to drive.

Okay...you're a grown man so I can't stop you, but I am asking you to do so,
regardless....

> And I still change dino oil at 3,000 and synth at 4,500.

I don't use dino, and I agree with the synth change like you do...maybe
5,000k if I can't get to it and all that.

Peace,
Polfus

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote

>> 2 changes at 6,000 miles each, and filter changes every other oil change,
>
> filter every other time? that's not clever.

The Honda engineers don't suggest a filter change every oil change.

So why do you all of a sudden, given your blind following of their
"guidelines"?

> > and drain plugs = $26.00
>
> you're either dishonest or delusional.

Or you're crazy as hell.

> you've stated many times how you do your changes yourself every 3k, 4.5k
> for synthetic. now here you are suddenly at 6k.

You have lost your damn mind because I never said that at all.

>> Do *YOU* change your oil every 12,000 miles?
>
> actually, based on my usage, i go 12k.

Awesome....good luck with that.

And now I wonder why you get so pissy with everyone when they question the
oil change intervals recommended ( or actually not recommended by since its
buried in the "maintenance Minder" ).

If you don't even follow the Honda guidelines, then you should shut your
damn piehole the next time you feel the need to foam at the ass when someone
(like me!) does it differently.

Read that again, rinse, and repeat over and over until you get it, son.

> i'd much rather introduce you to reality.

This should be interesting coming from you....carry on...

> for a 6k change interval, over 24k we can still say:
>
> 4 x $15 = $60 for the blind faith approach.
>
> vs.
>
> 2 x $15 = $30
> + 1 analysis $27.50 [only needs to be done every 30-50k]
>
> that's $57.50. analysis still saves you money.

$2.50 in savings.

Wow...maybe I'll get a 2L Pepsi and a sandwich with all that money.

> over 48k we have
>
> 8 x $15 = $120 blind faith.
>
> vs.
>
> 4 x $15 = $60
> + 2 x analysis = $55
>
> that's $115 saving money /

No...reality says that your scenario saves a whopping $5.00 over the course
of 48K miles.

And doing so on a vehicle that can cost over $30,000 dollars, doing dino oil
changes every 12k miles.

> and/ knowing the health of your engine.

No, thats not exactly true...oil analysis is by no means a complete engine
diagnostic tool.

If you think so, then knock yourself out.

> seems like a real easy decision to make to me.

Yeah....it is, actually.

Polfus

"Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote

> Tell that to all the people that came in with sludged Toyota engines.
>
> They didn't follow the MFG's reccomendation.
>
> Some of the ones that did had minimal sludging, but most of them were
> using shit oil.
>
> The ones that changed the oil every 3,000 miles had no sludge.

Well...that pretty much says it all.

Peace,
Polfus

On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:38:28 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours
>>>>> haven't yet,
>>>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this
>>>>> stupidity.
>>>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>>>> miles?!?!?
>>> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
>>
>>
>> It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>>
>>
>>
> but i did the math for you. $37.50 is not more expensive than $60.00.

But my time is worth $35 an hour.

It's easier to change the oil than fart around.
Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...

On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:45:05 -0500, Joe wrote:

> On 2008-05-15, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree
>> that there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil
>> that often.
>
> I try to change the oil whenever I fill the gas tank. You just can't be
> too careful...

Gil comes limping into the parking lot in a 'vintage' Mustang, engine
running hard but barely moving. Wanted to know what was wrong with her
car.

After checking the battery, alternator, etc, we pulled the dipstick. Oil
was well above the 'full' mark, and with a bright light we could see oil
in the dipstick tube.

"When did you last change your oil?"
"I don't remember, but I just had a quart put in yesterday."

Turns out, whenever she added gas to the tank, she also had them throw in
a quart of oil. Don't know where she was going for gas, but if they
weren't looking at the dipstick, I'd get my gas elsewhere...

hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:38:28 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>>>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours
>>>>>> haven't yet,
>>>>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this
>>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>>>>> miles?!?!?
>>>> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
>>>
>>> It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> but i did the math for you. $37.50 is not more expensive than $60.00.
>
> But my time is worth $35 an hour.

er, that makes the math worse, not better.



>
> It's easier to change the oil than fart around.

translation: because you don't know what you're doing, you /prefer/ to
fart around.



> Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...

manufacturers use a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you can too.

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:56:06 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>
>> But my time is worth $35 an hour.
>
> er, that makes the math worse, not better.

I don't work Saruday mornings.
>
>
>
>
>> It's easier to change the oil than fart around.
>
> translation: because you don't know what you're doing, you /prefer/ to
> fart around.

No, because I know what I'm doing, I change my own oil and have a look
around while I'm doing it.

>
>
>
>> Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...
>
> manufacturers use a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you can too.


Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
reccomendations.

Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed at
7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged engines.

Twerp.

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:56:06 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> But my time is worth $35 an hour.
>> er, that makes the math worse, not better.
>
> I don't work Saruday mornings.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's easier to change the oil than fart around.
>> translation: because you don't know what you're doing, you /prefer/ to
>> fart around.
>
> No, because I know what I'm doing, I change my own oil and have a look
> around while I'm doing it.
>
>>
>>
>>> Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...
>> manufacturers use a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you can too.
>
>
> Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
> reccomendations.
>
> Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed at
> 7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged engines.
>
> Twerp.
>
>

dude, hate to break it to you, but there's no pride in being stupid.
back in the day, manufacturers used analysis to determine an average
schedule. some will be over, most under. some /way/ under. my bulk
mileage is freeway. as such, my oil has a real easy time. and thus,
analysis shows i can extend my interval. so i do!

ever noticed how modern service monitors don't have fixed oil change
intervals any more? that's because the engine computer registers
driving conditions and adjusts the change interval reminder accordingly.
and that computer is programmed based on the a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s the
development team did in testing! real freakin' easy.

On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:29:12 -0700, jim beam wrote:


>> Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
>> reccomendations.
>>
>> Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed
>> at 7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged
>> engines.
>>
>> Twerp.
>>
>>
>>
> dude, hate to break it to you, but there's no pride in being stupid.

And yet you keep coming back and showing us just how bad you are.

> back in the day, manufacturers used analysis to determine an average
> schedule. some will be over, most under. some /way/ under. my bulk
> mileage is freeway.

So is mine.

> as such, my oil has a real easy time. and thus,
> analysis shows i can extend my interval. so i do!

Good for you.

Considering what a hard time you gave me trying to reccomend something
someone should do to prolong the life of his car, and pointing out over
and over "But the manual doesn't say that!!" I think you should have a
good look at the manual yourself. The 7,500 mile oil change
reccomendation is for 'average' driving. I'm sure if you look they'll
have another, tighter regulation for 'severe' driving. Which means you
should be following the 'average' reccomendation.

Like I said, cheap insurance.

hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:29:12 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>
>>> Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
>>> reccomendations.
>>>
>>> Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed
>>> at 7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged
>>> engines.
>>>
>>> Twerp.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> dude, hate to break it to you, but there's no pride in being stupid.
>
> And yet you keep coming back and showing us just how bad you are.

oooh, i'm "bad". sounds sexy! is that sexier than being stupid? oh,
wait, stupid is just stupid. my bad.



>
>> back in the day, manufacturers used analysis to determine an average
>> schedule. some will be over, most under. some /way/ under. my bulk
>> mileage is freeway.
>
> So is mine.
>
>> as such, my oil has a real easy time. and thus,
>> analysis shows i can extend my interval. so i do!
>
> Good for you.
>
> Considering what a hard time you gave me trying to reccomend something
> someone should do to prolong the life of his car,

translation: "propagating baseless drivel with no rationale except
ignorance and superstition dating from the 1950's."


> and pointing out over
> and over "But the manual doesn't say that!!"

but you're the guy ignoring the manual!


> I think you should have a
> good look at the manual yourself. The 7,500 mile oil change
> reccomendation is for 'average' driving. I'm sure if you look they'll
> have another, tighter regulation for 'severe' driving. Which means you
> should be following the 'average' reccomendation.

so you fill the gas tank when you feel like it? how about change the
tires? no, you fill the tank when the gauge says so, and you change
tires when the treads are worn. well, that's what /i/ do with oil,
based on what analysis has informed me. a MEASURED quantity is better
than superstitious crap any day.


>
> Like I said, cheap insurance.

no, it's an excuse for being ignorant.