Honda Car Forum

In article <%JiVj.79$ll1.45@trndny06>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> How do you know that the speeds that the cars were driven at had
> anything to do with these "strides"? And why would driving a car a
> particular speed cause this?
>
> I think you don't know what you're talking about.

Some people develop superstitions, and live their lives by those.

Car owners are especially susceptible.

Go by your owner's manual. Things do change over time, and things that
were appropriate back then don't apply now. But you'll never get over
the superstition.

In article <m6mdncXetPIwIrjVnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

> imagine these guys in aerospace: "yeah, but this guy said those cracks
> didn't matter".

That's ****in' hilarious. I can just see the NASA engineers hitting up
Google, finding the space shuttle fanboi forums, and then listening to
them.

In article <Xns9A9A6BD122317jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.83>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> > It's a car.
> >
> > It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
> > it's a car.
> >
> >
>
> I suspect it's classified as a "light truck".

Classified by whom?

The only classification that matters is the guy who bought it.

In article <HAgVj.72$ll1.48@trndny06>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> > It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
> > it's a car.
> >
>
> You can drive a 18-wheeler like a car if you want. But, it's still a
> truck.

That doesn't make any sense.

However, these things that you call "trucks" are used as cars, not as
trucks.

End of story.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <HAgVj.72$ll1.48@trndny06>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
>>> it's a car.
>>>
>> You can drive a 18-wheeler like a car if you want. But, it's still a
>> truck.
>
> That doesn't make any sense.
>
> However, these things that you call "trucks" are used as cars, not as
> trucks.
>
> End of story.

They are classified by the government as trucks, have safety
requirements that are different from cars and handle differently than cars.

End of story.

Jeff

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:

>


snip

>
> Five-hundred miles is approx 8 hours. I would prbably go pretty easy for
> the first 1,000 miles, secondary roads and short stretches on the highway
> around cities. This will do two things; allow the machine to run at
> something other than wide open, and force variations in load and speed
> like the manual says to do.
>


I think that this is great advice regardless of make of vehicle. It's
how I've always done it. Of course I drive older cars...

JT

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-361145.13383010052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com:

> In article <HAgVj.72$ll1.48@trndny06>, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a
>> > car, it's a car.
>> >
>>
>> You can drive a 18-wheeler like a car if you want. But, it's still a
>> truck.
>
> That doesn't make any sense.
>
> However, these things that you call "trucks" are used as cars, not as
> trucks.
>
> End of story.
>
>

there's a guy who built a semi's tractor into a pickup truck;I bet he calls
it a truck even though he uses it as a "car".and US Fedgov
considers("classifies") it a "truck",just like the original PT Cruiser.

"End of story".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Sat, 10 May 2008 14:58:03 +0000, Jeff wrote:

>> You will hit speeds and conditions on any car, no matter how it was
>> broken in due to engine and mechanical efficiencies. On most 4 cylinder
>> Toyotas I have owned, they seem to hit their stride 70~75 MPH, since I
>> assume this is the engine's most efficient mode. I have noticed this on
>> 4 or 5 Toyotas I have owned. Always got the best economy at about 72 MPH
>> in 5th gear.
>
> How do you know that the speeds that the cars were driven at had anything
> to do with these "strides"? And why would driving a car a particular speed
> cause this?
>
> I think you don't know what you're talking about.


The cars I have had new and have broken in myself have not had this
problem. The couple of cars I bought used that do this have a tendancy to
'settle' around 45 and 65 or so. The 7 new cars I broke in didn't do this.
And two of them were identical models.

And my Supra seems to settle around 60. It's a Canadian car, and whne I
say 60 I mean 60 KmH.

But, you never think I know what I'm talking about anyway, so I just
consider the source.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 08:30:50 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
>> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:19:20 -0600, Bow Wow wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was planning on taking my soon to take possession Highlander V6 on a
>>>> trip which will consist mostly of highway driving of about 3000mile
>>>> drive
>>>> and been told that that's not such a good idea because you don't want
>>>> to drive a brand new car on the highway for any extended amount if you
>>>> can help before the car's properly broken in.
>>>>
>>>> The seals, rings and the machine just needs to set in properly, which
>>>> happens during the break in period and before that, I was told you
>>>> should
>>>> avoid any long highway trip.
>>>>
>>>> What do you guys think? If this was your car, would you do it or put
>>>> off
>>>> the trip until after the car's broken in properly? Thanks.
>>>
>>> I'm old-school. I drive a car 1500 miles and then do the first oil
>>> change.
>>> Then I do the next one at 3000 miles, and every 3-3500 after that.
>>>
>>> I also had 3 cars go over 250,000 miles without burning oil.
>>> Five-hundred miles is approx 8 hours. I would prbably go pretty easy
>>> for the first 1,000 miles, secondary roads and short stretches on the
>>> highway around cities. This will do two things; allow the machine to
>>> run at something other than wide open, and force variations in load and
>>> speed like the manual says to do.
>>>
>>> It seems I can tell when a car was broken in properly or not. On cars I
>>> had had new, they don't tend to develop 'notches' at certain speeds. By
>>> this I mean, on cars other than ones I bought new, I can notice that
>>> the car seems to hit a stride ~45-50 MPH, and another ~70 MPH. What I
>>> assume is that the person that bought the car new had two driving
>>> modes: secondary roads (45 MPH) and highway (70 MPH). I have noticed
>>> this on a few used cars I have owned.
>>>
>>> On cars I bought new and broke in properly, there weren't any
>>> 'notches', everything was fairly even across the range. You will hit
>>> speeds and conditions on any car, no matter how it was broken
>>> in due to engine and mechanical efficiencies. On most 4 cylinder
>>> Toyotas I
>>> have owned, they seem to hit their stride 70~75 MPH, since I assume
>>> this is the engine's most efficient mode. I have noticed this on 4 or 5
>>> Toyotas
>>> I have owned. Always got the best economy at about 72 MPH in 5th gear.
>>
>> How do you know that the speeds that the cars were driven at had
>> anything to do with these "strides"? And why would driving a car a
>> particular speed cause this?
>>
>> I think you don't know what you're talking about.
>>
>> From the owner's manual for a 2008 Pilot:
>>
>> "Help assure your vehicle’s future
>> reliability and performance by paying extra attention to how you drive
>> during the first 600 miles (1,000 km). During this period:
>> Avoid full-throttle starts and rapid
>> acceleration.
>> Do not change the oil until the
>> scheduled maintenance time.
>> Avoid hard braking for the first
>> 200 miles (300 km).
>> Do not tow a trailer.
>> You should also follow these
>> recommendations with an
>> overhauled or exchanged engine, or
>> when the brakes are replaced."
>>
>> Note what the manual says about the first oil change.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Of course, with newer cars and a V6, things are different now, but I
>>> would
>>> still take it pretty easy for the first 1500 miles, and stop and have
>>> the oil changed.
>
>
>
> what??? read the manual??? no freakin' chance buddy! we're all going to
> have a retardation contest here on usenet and take the words of nameless
> idiots with our new multi-thousand dollar investments, not the experts
> that researched, designed and manufactured the freakin' thing!
>
> imagine these guys in aerospace: "yeah, but this guy said those cracks
> didn't matter".

You have had how many cars >230,000 miles?

Feh.


Some things change, some things don't. Rings and cylinder walls are still
about the same as they were 20 years ago.

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 14:58:03 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>
>>> You will hit speeds and conditions on any car, no matter how it was
>>> broken in due to engine and mechanical efficiencies. On most 4 cylinder
>>> Toyotas I have owned, they seem to hit their stride 70~75 MPH, since I
>>> assume this is the engine's most efficient mode. I have noticed this on
>>> 4 or 5 Toyotas I have owned. Always got the best economy at about 72 MPH
>>> in 5th gear.
>> How do you know that the speeds that the cars were driven at had anything
>> to do with these "strides"? And why would driving a car a particular speed
>> cause this?
>>
>> I think you don't know what you're talking about.
>
>
> The cars I have had new and have broken in myself have not had this
> problem. The couple of cars I bought used that do this have a tendancy to
> 'settle' around 45 and 65 or so. The 7 new cars I broke in didn't do this.
> And two of them were identical models.
>
> And my Supra seems to settle around 60. It's a Canadian car, and whne I
> say 60 I mean 60 KmH.
>
> But, you never think I know what I'm talking about anyway, so I just
> consider the source.

So do I. ;-)