Honda Car Forum

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:33:55 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:52:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>> > I currently own a 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS and am looking for new wheels
>>> > (and the rest of the car to go with it). I have been happy with Ava
>>> > and looked at the new Toyota Avalon, Camry, and the Honda Accord. I
>>> > haven't looked at the Lexus ES350 yet because the dealership is about
>>> > a 2 hour drive from here. The reviews look good.
>
>>> Forget all that crap and just get a BMW 5-series.
>
>> A German car?
>
>Yeah. They're the best at making cars. Simple as that.

Mercedes used to be one of the most reliable cars on the road (we're
talking 30 years ago now.) Now it is one of the least reliable.
VW/Audi are just about as bad. Compared to them the BMW is stellar,
but really not in the same league as Honda or Toyota.

BMWs are fun to drive, but you pay a lot for it when you buy it and as
you go down the road.

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:34:54 -0500, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:33:55 -0500, Dan C
><youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:52:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>> > I currently own a 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS and am looking for new wheels
>>>> > (and the rest of the car to go with it). I have been happy with Ava
>>>> > and looked at the new Toyota Avalon, Camry, and the Honda Accord. I
>>>> > haven't looked at the Lexus ES350 yet because the dealership is about
>>>> > a 2 hour drive from here. The reviews look good.
>>
>>>> Forget all that crap and just get a BMW 5-series.
>>
>>> A German car?
>>
>>Yeah. They're the best at making cars. Simple as that.
>
>Mercedes used to be one of the most reliable cars on the road (we're
>talking 30 years ago now.) Now it is one of the least reliable.
>VW/Audi are just about as bad. Compared to them the BMW is stellar,
>but really not in the same league as Honda or Toyota.
>
>BMWs are fun to drive, but you pay a lot for it when you buy it and as
>you go down the road.

This is very true. I was looking at a used 2005 325i and being used to
Hondas/Hyundai's and how reliable they have been, I was shocked to see
some common issues that the 325's all had.

1) Transmissions failing at under 100k miles and BMW doing nothing
about it.(This was the dealbreaker)
2) Thermostats failing at 60k and then again at 80k
3) Balljoints failing at 80k
4) VANOS problems (BMW's Variable Timing)
5) Radiator expansion tank

And the list went on and on...If I wanted a car that had all of these
problems I would get a Ford. The Germans tried following the Japanese
way of doing things and they have failed miserably.

Dan C wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:52:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>>> I currently own a 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS and am looking for new
>>>> wheels (and the rest of the car to go with it). I have been happy
>>>> with Ava and looked at the new Toyota Avalon, Camry, and the Honda
>>>> Accord. I haven't looked at the Lexus ES350 yet because the
>>>> dealership is about a 2 hour drive from here. The reviews look
>>>> good.
>
>>> Forget all that crap and just get a BMW 5-series.
>
>> A German car?
>
> Yeah. They're the best at making cars. Simple as that.
>
>> Better he should just buy a GM car and keep the money somewhat in
>> this country. He gets the same build quality, anyway.
>
> Oh, but buying a Toyota or Honda is just fine, eh? Did you not know
> that those are Japanese-owned car companies? You think the money
> stays here in this country when you buy a Toyota or a Honda?
>
> The build quality is NOT the same either, by the way.

BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and Toyota have factories in the US and employ
US citizens and pay US taxes.

MLD wrote:
> "Say What?" <NotMe@NotYou.com> wrote in message
> news:0ScIj.5897$qT6.4147@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> MLD wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, the 2008 Avalon comes out better than the Honda. Big surprise
>>> is that it's gas mileage is up in the 26-28 mpg range.
>>> MLD
>>
>> HIghway? City? With a 6 or a 4?
>>
>>
>
> V6 and around the city. On a 3000 mi trip averaged 27/28 and at
> times did between 30/31. On the trip just about all highway and
> anywhere between 75-80 mph

This is what I usually get with my V6 Accord ('04).

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:13:41 +0000, L Alpert wrote:

>>> Better he should just buy a GM car and keep the money somewhat in
>>> this country. He gets the same build quality, anyway.

>> Oh, but buying a Toyota or Honda is just fine, eh? Did you not know
>> that those are Japanese-owned car companies? You think the money
>> stays here in this country when you buy a Toyota or a Honda?
>>
>> The build quality is NOT the same either, by the way.

> BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and Toyota have factories in the US and employ
> US citizens and pay US taxes.

Right. You're as clueless as the other dumbass.


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"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2008.04.05.14.14.35.582340@moria.lan...
> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:13:41 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
>
> Right. You're as clueless as the other dumbass.
>


Why is he clueless?

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Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:13:41 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
>
>>>> Better he should just buy a GM car and keep the money somewhat in
>>>> this country. He gets the same build quality, anyway.
>
>>> Oh, but buying a Toyota or Honda is just fine, eh? Did you not know
>>> that those are Japanese-owned car companies? You think the money
>>> stays here in this country when you buy a Toyota or a Honda?
>>>
>>> The build quality is NOT the same either, by the way.
>
>> BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and Toyota have factories in the US and
>> employ US citizens and pay US taxes.
>
> Right. You're as clueless as the other dumbass.

Are you saying that these companies do not manufacture within US borders and
they do not employ American citizens?

bearman wrote:
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> newsan.2008.04.05.14.14.35.582340@moria.lan...
>> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:13:41 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
>>
>> Right. You're as clueless as the other dumbass.
>>
>
>
> Why is he clueless?

Probably because I'm right.

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
news:F9JJj.273$h75.13@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net.. .
> Dan C wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:52:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>>> I currently own a 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS and am looking for new
>>>>> wheels (and the rest of the car to go with it). I have been happy
>>>>> with Ava and looked at the new Toyota Avalon, Camry, and the Honda
>>>>> Accord. I haven't looked at the Lexus ES350 yet because the
>>>>> dealership is about a 2 hour drive from here. The reviews look
>>>>> good.
>>
>>>> Forget all that crap and just get a BMW 5-series.
>>
>>> A German car?
>>
>> Yeah. They're the best at making cars. Simple as that.
>>
>>> Better he should just buy a GM car and keep the money somewhat in
>>> this country. He gets the same build quality, anyway.
>>
>> Oh, but buying a Toyota or Honda is just fine, eh? Did you not know
>> that those are Japanese-owned car companies? You think the money
>> stays here in this country when you buy a Toyota or a Honda?
>>
>> The build quality is NOT the same either, by the way.
>
> BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and Toyota have factories in the US and employ
> US citizens and pay US taxes.

Believe the 3 series is assembled in Pretoria, South Africa and shipped to
the States. The engines and transmissions are made in Germany.
>
>

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:23:55 -0400, L Alpert wrote:

>>> BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and Toyota have factories in the US and
>>> employ US citizens and pay US taxes.

>> Right. You're as clueless as the other dumbass.

> Are you saying that these companies do not manufacture within US borders and
> they do not employ American citizens?

No.

What I was referring to was the blanket-statement that "the money stays
here in the US" when buying one of these cars. Perhaps *some* of it does,
but not all. In fact that was never the point of the original discussion
at all.

<shrug>


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