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Old 25 Mar 2008, 11:43 am
Steve
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Default 1999 Accord Cat

I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
miles.

I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump and
all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and rotors.

No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light
comes on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to
replace the Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the o2
sesor was bad and the Cat was bad.

This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
that way" kind of answer.

Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?





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Old 25 Mar 2008, 12:09 pm
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Default Re: 1999 Accord Cat

On Mar 25, 11:43 am, "Steve" <srl1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
> miles.
>
> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump and
> all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and rotors.
>
> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light
> comes on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to
> replace the Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the o2
> sesor was bad and the Cat was bad.
>
> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
> that way" kind of answer.
>
> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?


You should get the exact codes that were pulled. maybe take it to
Autozone, they pull them for free. Then you can check. If a cat goes
bad, it's usually that the innards break up, which can cause rattling
and driveablility issues. It may simply be the O2 sensor. At any rate,
aftermarket cats are significantly cheaper than OEM - which it sounds
like your guy was quoting.

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA
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Old 26 Mar 2008, 09:15 pm
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Default Re: 1999 Accord Cat

Find another garage as the mechanic is a parts replacer with no diagnostic
ability. The ECM compares the primary and secondary O2 senser to determine
if the cat is bad. If an O2 senser is bad It could also give a false cat
code. The O2 sensers can be checked with the
obd2 tester. Also those engines have a problem with the EGR ports in the
manifold carboning up. That causes an imbalance in the fuel trim and over a
period of time will burn out the cat. Check with your local Honda dealer for
the TSL on the EGR.
"Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GbednQ4Epa4pgHTanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
>miles.
>
> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump and
> all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and rotors.
>
> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light comes
> on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to replace the
> Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the o2 sesor was bad
> and the Cat was bad.
>
> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
> that way" kind of answer.
>
> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?
>
>
>
>
>



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Old 26 Mar 2008, 11:16 pm
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I had this happen to my 99 accord in 2003 or 2004. My cat was replaced
under some emission recall or Honda emission TSB. I don't remember what my
check engine code was. You may want to hunt these links for your problem.
$1000 is what the dealer told me it would cost if I had to pay.

http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/A...999/tsbs.shtml
http://www.hondaaccordforum.com/reca...sbs/browse.htm




"Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GbednQ4Epa4pgHTanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
>miles.
>
> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump and
> all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and rotors.
>
> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light comes
> on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to replace the
> Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the o2 sesor was bad
> and the Cat was bad.
>
> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
> that way" kind of answer.
>
> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?
>
>
>
>
>


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Old 26 Mar 2008, 11:18 pm
Rick
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Default Re: 1999 Accord Cat

I had this happen to my 99 accord in 2003 or 2004. My cat was replaced
under some emission recall or Honda emission TSB. I don't remember what my
check engine code was. You may want to hunt these links for your problem.
$1000 is what the dealer told me it would cost if I had to pay.

http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/A...999/tsbs.shtml
http://www.hondaaccordforum.com/reca...sbs/browse.htm




"Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GbednQ4Epa4pgHTanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
>miles.
>
> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump and
> all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and rotors.
>
> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light comes
> on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to replace the
> Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the o2 sesor was bad
> and the Cat was bad.
>
> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
> that way" kind of answer.
>
> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?
>
>
>
>
>


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Old 27 Mar 2008, 05:44 pm
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Thanks guys.





"Rick" <razingkane@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FoKdnWqW3Ye_j3banZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I had this happen to my 99 accord in 2003 or 2004. My cat was
>replaced
> under some emission recall or Honda emission TSB. I don't remember
> what my
> check engine code was. You may want to hunt these links for your
> problem.
> $1000 is what the dealer told me it would cost if I had to pay.
>
> http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/A...999/tsbs.shtml
> http://www.hondaaccordforum.com/reca...sbs/browse.htm
>
>
>
>
> "Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:GbednQ4Epa4pgHTanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
>>miles.
>>
>> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump
>> and
>> all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and rotors.
>>
>> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light
>> comes
>> on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to replace
>> the
>> Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the o2 sesor
>> was bad
>> and the Cat was bad.
>>
>> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the
>> 02
>> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more
>> money
>> that way" kind of answer.
>>
>> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>



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Old 02 Apr 2008, 11:19 am
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"Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GbednQ4Epa4pgHTanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
>miles.
>
> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump
> and all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and
> rotors.
>
> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light
> comes on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to
> replace the Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the
> o2 sesor was bad and the Cat was bad.
>
> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
> that way" kind of answer.
>
> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?
>
>
>
>
>



So the saga on this continues somewhat, I had the CAT replaced and
although I asked for an aftermarket there was none available. Another
factor is that about a month prior I had the timing belt changed and
also all the other belts and water pump, plus new front brakes and
rotors.. $1300.

So, we had the work done and they replaced the CAT and associated
hardware and the total bill was $1386!!

So, put on a few hundred miles and it was fine, and then .....yep...
check engine light. Only now my daughter has moved out of the area and
she is in New Jersey. So she gets an appointment at a dealer down in new
Jersey, D&C Honda and she drivers over there.. to get them to read the
code.. just before she drives in, the Check Engine light goes out.

The Service Manager tells me there is no sense in reading the code as it
is "probably a gas cap code" but also that if the light is off, the code
isn't stored. he says on a 99 it isn't stored.

Any idea on that from anyone?

Anyone buy the "Gas cap theory"... feels like a blow off to me.

Thanks,

Steve

PS She is in Leonia NJ, anyone have a suggestion for a good service
place down there?



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Old 02 Apr 2008, 12:18 pm
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"Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in
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>
> "Steve" <srl1215@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:GbednQ4Epa4pgHTanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>I bought my daughter a 99 Honda Accord. It's a real clean car with 86K
>>miles.
>>
>> I recently put $1300+ dollars into it for the Timing belt/Water pump
>> and all belts replaced as well as completely new front brakes and
>> rotors.
>>
>> No sooner does she start using it again then the check engine light
>> comes on. The garage we take it to says they need another $1000 to
>> replace the Catalytic Converter. They told me the codes read that the
>> o2 sesor was bad and the Cat was bad.
>>
>> This smelled a little to me, like one of those "oh, it might be the 02
>> sensor, or the cat, but we just rerplace everthing and make more money
>> that way" kind of answer.
>>
>> Do Accord cats really fail at 90K miles?


Not usually.
>
> So the saga on this continues somewhat, I had the CAT replaced and
> although I asked for an aftermarket there was none available. Another
> factor is that about a month prior I had the timing belt changed and
> also all the other belts and water pump, plus new front brakes and
> rotors.. $1300.
>
> So, we had the work done and they replaced the CAT and associated
> hardware and the total bill was $1386!!
>
> So, put on a few hundred miles and it was fine, and then .....yep...
> check engine light. Only now my daughter has moved out of the area and
> she is in New Jersey. So she gets an appointment at a dealer down in new
> Jersey, D&C Honda and she drivers over there.. to get them to read the
> code.. just before she drives in, the Check Engine light goes out.
>
> The Service Manager tells me there is no sense in reading the code as it
> is "probably a gas cap code" but also that if the light is off, the code
> isn't stored. he says on a 99 it isn't stored.


I believe they ARE stored;if the CEL(check engine light) comes on,that
means a fault has been detected,and the ECU stores it until cleared by a
scan tool.That's deliberate,so that intermittents can be troubleshot.
>
> Any idea on that from anyone?
>
> Anyone buy the "Gas cap theory"... feels like a blow off to me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> PS She is in Leonia NJ, anyone have a suggestion for a good service
> place down there?
>
>
>
>


there are OBD-2 codes that could indicate a gas cap wasn't screwed down
tight enough. It's part of the evaporative emissions control subsystem.

The car could have some bad hoses,maybe a crack that intermitently triggers
the CEL.


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Old 02 Apr 2008, 04:41 pm
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
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>>
>>

>
> there are OBD-2 codes that could indicate a gas cap wasn't screwed
> down
> tight enough. It's part of the evaporative emissions control
> subsystem.
>
> The car could have some bad hoses,maybe a crack that intermitently
> triggers
> the CEL.
>
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net


Thanks Jim, we're keeping an eye on it now.



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