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Old 12 Feb 2008, 06:52 pm
jderekhoward@gmail.com
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Default 1989 Honda Accord with weird humming noise & electrical problemsafter a break-in

I've got a 1989 Honda Accord that was broken into toward the end of
January.
The repair place said that only the steering column -case was broken &
the window.
They said they didn't see any electrical or damage to any of the wires
by the ignition.
Nevertheless, after we got our car back- I noticed some strange
things.
The first thing I noticed was one day after going to my car after work
that the headlights were up.
When I went into my car, I saw that the headlight button was not
pushed in- the headlights should not have been activated at all. My
battery was dead & the headlights seemingly turned themselves on.
I got a jump and had no problems starting my car.
Two days later, I went into my car & sat down.
Before I even put the key in the ignition, I heard a weird electrical
humming noise coming from the dash area.
Strange, I thought maybe I left a tape or the radio on- there was
nothing in the tape deck & the radio wasn't on.
I put the key in & it started, but the initial start up display lights
(the fasten your safety belt light, brake light & the engine light)
stayed lit up the entire time I drove.
When I got to work I shut the engine off & the display lights all went
off, but the weird humming noise continued.
For the next 2 days I continued having no problems starting the car-
no stalling- it was easy to start.
Still the constant humming noise persisted & I decided it was time to
take the car back to the auto place that supposedly "repaired" the
car.
Well, that morning when I went out to start the car & drive it to the
auto repair place.
The dash was still humming, I tried starting the car but it was having
a hard time.
I tried 1 more time using a little gas- there was very little power to
the crank & it didnt start. Still humming.
I tried 1 more time & the car went completely dead. The humming noise
finally stopped.
I'll also note that the car had well over 3/4 tank of gas in it.
My wife & I bought new jumper cables & tried to jump the car- but it
still wont start.
It wont crank or turn over. Today she tried to start it, and we got
the display lights to come on & the radio turned on, but no reaction
from the engine or the starter.

Any clues as to whether this is related to the break in & electrical
wires that may have been overlooked?
Or is this some other issue?

We're haven't got a clue & if its going to cost us more than $500 to
repair its not worth it & we just might end up buying a newer car.
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Old 12 Feb 2008, 09:32 pm
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jderekhoward@gmail.com wrote:
> I've got a 1989 Honda Accord that was broken into toward the end of
> January.
> The repair place said that only the steering column -case was broken ...
> They said they didn't see any electrical or damage to any of the wires
> by the ignition.

....
> Before I even put the key in the ignition, I heard a weird electrical
> humming noise coming from the dash area.


It doesn't know the words.

> The dash was still humming, I tried starting the car but it was having
> a hard time.


Describe the symptoms. Does it turn over normally? Does the engine try to
run?

> Any clues as to whether this is related to the break in & electrical
> wires that may have been overlooked?


The correlation is very high.

> We're haven't got a clue & if its going to cost us more than $500 to
> repair its not worth it & we just might end up buying a newer car.


You have to fix it. You can't get rid of the car in this condition anyway.
It's probably something simple like a poorly mated electrical connector.

Have you checked all the fuses under the hood and under the dash?

Try to pin down the source of the humming. Remove the fuses until it stops.
That will tell you which circuit it's on.

Pull the cover off the steering column. Leave it off until the problem is
found. Check any visible connectors. Are all the wires secure in the plastic
shell of the connector body. It would take just one loose ground wire to
cause the problems you're seeing.

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Chuck


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Old 13 Feb 2008, 03:16 am
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Default Re: 1989 Honda Accord with weird humming noise & electrical problemsafter a break-in

On Feb 12, 6:52 pm, jderekhow...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've got a 1989 Honda Accord that was broken into toward the end of
> January.
> The repair place said that only the steering column -case was broken &
> the window.
> They said they didn't see any electrical or damage to any of the wires
> by the ignition.
> Nevertheless, after we got our car back- I noticed some strange
> things.
> The first thing I noticed was one day after going to my car after work
> that the headlights were up.
> When I went into my car, I saw that the headlight button was not
> pushed in- the headlights should not have been activated at all. My
> battery was dead & the headlights seemingly turned themselves on.
> I got a jump and had no problems starting my car.
> Two days later, I went into my car & sat down.
> Before I even put the key in the ignition, I heard a weird electrical
> humming noise coming from the dash area.
> Strange, I thought maybe I left a tape or the radio on- there was
> nothing in the tape deck & the radio wasn't on.
> I put the key in & it started, but the initial start up display lights
> (the fasten your safety belt light, brake light & the engine light)
> stayed lit up the entire time I drove.
> When I got to work I shut the engine off & the display lights all went
> off, but the weird humming noise continued.
> For the next 2 days I continued having no problems starting the car-
> no stalling- it was easy to start.
> Still the constant humming noise persisted & I decided it was time to
> take the car back to the auto place that supposedly "repaired" the
> car.
> Well, that morning when I went out to start the car & drive it to the
> auto repair place.
> The dash was still humming, I tried starting the car but it was having
> a hard time.
> I tried 1 more time using a little gas- there was very little power to
> the crank & it didnt start. Still humming.
> I tried 1 more time & the car went completely dead. The humming noise
> finally stopped.
> I'll also note that the car had well over 3/4 tank of gas in it.
> My wife & I bought new jumper cables & tried to jump the car- but it
> still wont start.
> It wont crank or turn over. Today she tried to start it, and we got
> the display lights to come on & the radio turned on, but no reaction
> from the engine or the starter.
>
> Any clues as to whether this is related to the break in & electrical
> wires that may have been overlooked?
> Or is this some other issue?
>
> We're haven't got a clue & if its going to cost us more than $500 to
> repair its not worth it & we just might end up buying a newer car.


if they broke the steering column case, most likely they tried to hot
wire the starter and drive the car by messing with the ignition
switch. i suppose they are just some stupid punks (professional car
thieves don't steal a 20 year old car that's worth less than $1000)
and, out of ignorance, they may have messed with the cluster wires
under the left side of the dash board (where the head lights relays
and the fuel pump relay are). Best case, you only have to replace the
ignition switch. Worse case, those f*ckers may have f*cked everything
up!! Or it can be just a loosened connection or a short circuit I
can't really tell...



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Old 13 Feb 2008, 05:45 pm
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Default Re: 1989 Honda Accord with weird humming noise & electrical problemsafter a break-in

We just got it towed back to the original repair shop.
We were going to try some troubleshooting & but both my wife & I work
- and we needed to get this taken care of asap.
It will be interesting to see what the cause of the problem is.
I'm just hoping its related to the break in- otherwise insurance won't
cover it!
ack!


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Old 14 Feb 2008, 07:57 am
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:45:24 -0800 (PST), jderekhoward@gmail.com
wrote:

>We just got it towed back to the original repair shop.
>We were going to try some troubleshooting & but both my wife & I work
>- and we needed to get this taken care of asap.
>It will be interesting to see what the cause of the problem is.
>I'm just hoping its related to the break in- otherwise insurance won't
>cover it!
>ack!
>


You have insurance on an 89? I got a bit nervous about not having it
on my 91 Accord after reading that it's still one of the most stolen
cars. Apparently there are enough still running that the part need is
high.

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Old 24 Feb 2008, 08:00 am
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dgk wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:45:24 -0800 (PST), jderekhoward@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> We just got it towed back to the original repair shop.
>> We were going to try some troubleshooting & but both my wife & I work
>> - and we needed to get this taken care of asap.
>> It will be interesting to see what the cause of the problem is.
>> I'm just hoping its related to the break in- otherwise insurance
>> won't cover it!
>> ack!
>>

>
> You have insurance on an 89? I got a bit nervous about not having it
> on my 91 Accord after reading that it's still one of the most stolen
> cars. Apparently there are enough still running that the part need is
> high.


For a break in, homeowners insurance should cover it if it is on the
property.


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Old 24 Feb 2008, 08:51 am
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L Alpert wrote:
> dgk wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:45:24 -0800 (PST), jderekhoward@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We just got it towed back to the original repair shop.
>>> We were going to try some troubleshooting & but both my wife & I work
>>> - and we needed to get this taken care of asap.
>>> It will be interesting to see what the cause of the problem is.
>>> I'm just hoping its related to the break in- otherwise insurance
>>> won't cover it!
>>> ack!
>>>

>> You have insurance on an 89? I got a bit nervous about not having it
>> on my 91 Accord after reading that it's still one of the most stolen
>> cars. Apparently there are enough still running that the part need is
>> high.

>
> For a break in, homeowners insurance should cover it if it is on the
> property.


Actually, I think most home-owners insurance specifically exclude motor
vehicles from any coverage.

When deciding whether or not to have theft or other optional coverage on
the car, look at how much the extra insurance costs. A 1991 Honda
Accord SE with 150,000 mi on it has a retail value of about $3500.
That's about the value you'll get before the deductible. So, if the
deductible is $500, you'll get about $3000. So the question you have to
ask yourself, are you better off paying the extra $300 or whatever the
extra coverage costs every year or putting the money in the bank?

Remember, they are expecting to make money off the extra coverage,
including the cost of handling the claims. Plus, if the car is destroyed
in a crash or stolen, you can deduct some of the loss on your income taxes.

The bottom line is that you're probably better off taking the risk and
not having theft and collusion on this car. Remember, if there is a
crash, and the other party is at fault, the other party if responsible.

I would have dropped coverage a while ago.

Jeff
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Old 24 Feb 2008, 07:25 pm
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Jeff wrote:
> L Alpert wrote:
>> dgk wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:45:24 -0800 (PST), jderekhoward@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We just got it towed back to the original repair shop.
>>>> We were going to try some troubleshooting & but both my wife & I
>>>> work - and we needed to get this taken care of asap.
>>>> It will be interesting to see what the cause of the problem is.
>>>> I'm just hoping its related to the break in- otherwise insurance
>>>> won't cover it!
>>>> ack!
>>>>
>>> You have insurance on an 89? I got a bit nervous about not having it
>>> on my 91 Accord after reading that it's still one of the most stolen
>>> cars. Apparently there are enough still running that the part need
>>> is high.

>>
>> For a break in, homeowners insurance should cover it if it is on the
>> property.

>
> Actually, I think most home-owners insurance specifically exclude
> motor vehicles from any coverage.
>
> When deciding whether or not to have theft or other optional coverage
> on the car, look at how much the extra insurance costs. A 1991 Honda
> Accord SE with 150,000 mi on it has a retail value of about $3500.
> That's about the value you'll get before the deductible. So, if the
> deductible is $500, you'll get about $3000. So the question you have
> to ask yourself, are you better off paying the extra $300 or whatever
> the extra coverage costs every year or putting the money in the bank?


My homeowners policy covers theft from autos on my property. Also, it may
make sense to drop collision on a vehicle, but the comprehensive portion of
the coverage is not that much more.

>
> Remember, they are expecting to make money off the extra coverage,
> including the cost of handling the claims. Plus, if the car is
> destroyed in a crash or stolen, you can deduct some of the loss on
> your income taxes.
> The bottom line is that you're probably better off taking the risk and
> not having theft and collusion on this car. Remember, if there is a
> crash, and the other party is at fault, the other party if
> responsible.
> I would have dropped coverage a while ago.




>
> Jeff



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