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Old 18 Jan 2008, 06:15 pm
Robert Barr
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Default Fuel Antifreeze additives

What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06 Civic
(about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter cold here
in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM products. Any reason
why I shouldn't now?

Thx.
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Old 18 Jan 2008, 06:44 pm
Jeff
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Default Re: Fuel Antifreeze additives

Robert Barr wrote:
> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06 Civic
> (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter cold here
> in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM products. Any reason
> why I shouldn't now?
>
> Thx.


Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent freezing. In
particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like 10% ethanol), then
you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself is a gasoline antifreeze.

But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts with
degrees from MIT:

http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html

Jeff

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Old 18 Jan 2008, 10:17 pm
Tony Hwang
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Default Re: Fuel Antifreeze additives

Jeff wrote:
> Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06
>> Civic (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter
>> cold here in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM
>> products. Any reason why I shouldn't now?
>>
>> Thx.

>
>
> Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent freezing. In
> particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like 10% ethanol), then
> you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself is a gasoline antifreeze.
>
> But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts with
> degrees from MIT:
>
> http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html
>
> Jeff
>

Hi,
If the gas is winter blend. Alcohol absorbs moisture. Nothing special.
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Old 18 Jan 2008, 10:32 pm
Jeff
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Default Re: Fuel Antifreeze additives

Tony Hwang wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Robert Barr wrote:
>>
>>> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06
>>> Civic (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter
>>> cold here in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM
>>> products. Any reason why I shouldn't now?
>>>
>>> Thx.

>>
>>
>> Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent freezing.
>> In particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like 10% ethanol),
>> then you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself is a gasoline
>> antifreeze.
>>
>> But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts with
>> degrees from MIT:
>>
>> http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html
>>
>> Jeff
>>

> Hi,
> If the gas is winter blend. Alcohol absorbs moisture. Nothing special.


Last I was at a Sunoco station (in the summer, no less), there was a
sign on the pump that it contains 1/10 ethanol. The winter blends
usually are oxygenated fuels. The oxygen parts means that there are
ethers and alcohols and other molecules that absorb water well.

Of course, usually fuels don't freeze in the summer.

Jeff
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Old 19 Jan 2008, 01:00 am
Tony Hwang
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Default Re: Fuel Antifreeze additives

Jeff wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Barr wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06
>>>> Civic (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter
>>>> cold here in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM
>>>> products. Any reason why I shouldn't now?
>>>>
>>>> Thx.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent freezing.
>>> In particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like 10% ethanol),
>>> then you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself is a gasoline
>>> antifreeze.
>>>
>>> But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts with
>>> degrees from MIT:
>>>
>>> http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>

>> Hi,
>> If the gas is winter blend. Alcohol absorbs moisture. Nothing special.

>
>
> Last I was at a Sunoco station (in the summer, no less), there was a
> sign on the pump that it contains 1/10 ethanol. The winter blends
> usually are oxygenated fuels. The oxygen parts means that there are
> ethers and alcohols and other molecules that absorb water well.
>
> Of course, usually fuels don't freeze in the summer.
>
> Jeff

Hi,
I don't let fuel level go too low in the winter. Condensation can cause
water in the tank when it is too close to empty. I live in Alberta where
temp. can go as low as -35F or even lower with wind chill of like -50F.
Battery in bad shape can have slush inside when car is parked outside.
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Old 19 Jan 2008, 06:17 am
Matt Ion
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Default Re: Fuel Antifreeze additives

Tony Hwang wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert Barr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06
>>>>> Civic (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter
>>>>> cold here in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM
>>>>> products. Any reason why I shouldn't now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent freezing.
>>>> In particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like 10%
>>>> ethanol), then you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself is a
>>>> gasoline antifreeze.
>>>>
>>>> But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts with
>>>> degrees from MIT:
>>>>
>>>> http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> If the gas is winter blend. Alcohol absorbs moisture. Nothing special.

>>
>>
>> Last I was at a Sunoco station (in the summer, no less), there was a
>> sign on the pump that it contains 1/10 ethanol. The winter blends
>> usually are oxygenated fuels. The oxygen parts means that there are
>> ethers and alcohols and other molecules that absorb water well.
>>
>> Of course, usually fuels don't freeze in the summer.
>>
>> Jeff

> Hi,
> I don't let fuel level go too low in the winter. Condensation can cause
> water in the tank when it is too close to empty. I live in Alberta where
> temp. can go as low as -35F or even lower with wind chill of like -50F.


Wind chill doesn't affect your gas.

As for additives, your basic methyl hydrate is all I ever used (BC
Interior, similar climate to much of Alberta)... but yeah, gas in these
climates is generally sold with any necessary seasonal additives already
blended in.
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Old 19 Jan 2008, 09:08 am
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Tony Hwang wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Tony Hwang wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert Barr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06
>>>>> Civic (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter
>>>>> cold here in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM
>>>>> products. Any reason why I shouldn't now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent freezing.
>>>> In particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like 10%
>>>> ethanol), then you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself is a
>>>> gasoline antifreeze.
>>>>
>>>> But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts with
>>>> degrees from MIT:
>>>>
>>>> http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> If the gas is winter blend. Alcohol absorbs moisture. Nothing special.

>>
>>
>> Last I was at a Sunoco station (in the summer, no less), there was a
>> sign on the pump that it contains 1/10 ethanol. The winter blends
>> usually are oxygenated fuels. The oxygen parts means that there are
>> ethers and alcohols and other molecules that absorb water well.
>>
>> Of course, usually fuels don't freeze in the summer.
>>
>> Jeff

> Hi,
> I don't let fuel level go too low in the winter. Condensation can cause
> water in the tank when it is too close to empty.


Yet winter air has very little water vapor in it. So, unless the car or
truck spends lots of time indoor (e.g., in a garage), I don't think this
makes too much difference.

None the less, this is a good idea.

> I live in Alberta where
> temp. can go as low as -35F or even lower with wind chill of like -50F.
> Battery in bad shape can have slush inside when car is parked outside.

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Old 19 Jan 2008, 02:22 pm
Matt Ion
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Default Re: Fuel Antifreeze additives

Jeff wrote:
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> Tony Hwang wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert Barr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the lowdown on products like Heet? I have a nearly new '06
>>>>>> Civic (about 11k on it) and we're heading into some fairly bitter
>>>>>> cold here in Chicago. I used to use Heet regularly in my GM
>>>>>> products. Any reason why I shouldn't now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thx.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Most gasolines already have additives in them that prevent
>>>>> freezing. In particular, if your gasoline has ethanol in it (like
>>>>> 10% ethanol), then you definitely don't need it. The ethanol itself
>>>>> is a gasoline antifreeze.
>>>>>
>>>>> But wait! Don't take my word for it. Take the words of two nuts
>>>>> with degrees from MIT:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cartalk.com/content/columns/A.../March/02.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> If the gas is winter blend. Alcohol absorbs moisture. Nothing special.
>>>
>>>
>>> Last I was at a Sunoco station (in the summer, no less), there was a
>>> sign on the pump that it contains 1/10 ethanol. The winter blends
>>> usually are oxygenated fuels. The oxygen parts means that there are
>>> ethers and alcohols and other molecules that absorb water well.
>>>
>>> Of course, usually fuels don't freeze in the summer.
>>>
>>> Jeff

>> Hi,
>> I don't let fuel level go too low in the winter. Condensation can
>> cause water in the tank when it is too close to empty.

>
> Yet winter air has very little water vapor in it. So, unless the car or
> truck spends lots of time indoor (e.g., in a garage), I don't think this
> makes too much difference.


Once you hit about -20C or so, you can see the ice crystals floating by
from the moisture in the air freezing
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